[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

Daniel Riaño danielrr2 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 13 23:45:32 CEST 2013

Of course you can start with anything, but it is going to be quite a pile
of money. In any case the sum you decide upon must be detracted from
another item of the budget (be it from pure transfer from one budget into
another, of from expenditure savings) or come from a rise in taxation. In
the case of Spain today, whatever sum to decide for the "partial basic
income" should (almost by necessity) come from reductions from the social
benefits (social security, unemployment benefits, etc.) and most probably
from detraction from retirement pensions(*). As of today (and for the
foreseeable 10 or so years) any honest debate on the "partial basic income"
should make this clear. In 10 years time, maybe the choices are less gloomy.

(*) The only other choice is that part of such sum come from the reform of
the item in the national budget of Spain in need of a more profound reform:
the change of the political structure and financing of the several layers
of political administrations in Spain. Today it is a economically
unsustainable mess of several layers of administrative and political bodies
(national state, comunidades autónomas, diputaciones, local governments)
all of them rapaciously fighting for their own piece of the budget share.
For that you need to make all the Comunidades Autónomas (think "Länder") to
agree to a loss of power and influence and to make their budgets more
transparent, a radical reform of the county administration and a radical
depart of the national government policy towards local political bodies:
Good luck!

2013/7/13 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>

> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sorry to disagree, but I don't think PP-ES has any position on the
> subject,
> > certainly not one that has ever been subject to informed debate or
> > resolution by any representative body.
> >
> > But this is certainly a very interesting subject, both from the
> > philosophical and the practical sides. As of the latter, I don't know of
> any
> > study of whether a universal basic income is economically feasible in
> Spain
> > (it is always a good point to estimate economical viability of such big
> > projects before trying it) or in Europe. But the philosophical questions
> are
> As to the economic viability - a state can always start with a
> "partial basic income" - that is one that is below the 'social
> minimum', just like the Alaska example with a $100.
> Z.
> --
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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