[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Francisco George]

Daniel,

The Basic income was debated in October/November of 2010. I personally
bring the debate in because as I told Koen I'm Belgian and studied the
Vivant movement when I was still in Belgium.

The first debate left a 50-50 division in the PPES and at that time didn't
make it to the party program

Earlier this year, if I remember well there was another debate about
supporting the BasicIncome.eu initiative and this time a majority of
affiliates did approved it. I think you should revised mail archives
because it happened when you were out on a trip.

Best regards

Francisco


2013/7/13 Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com>

> Sorry to disagree, but I don't think PP-ES has any position on the
> subject, certainly not one that has ever been subject to informed debate or
> resolution by any representative body.
>
> But this is certainly a very interesting subject, both from the
> philosophical and the practical sides. As of the latter, I don't know of
> any study of whether a universal basic income is economically feasible in
> Spain (it is always a good point to estimate economical viability of such
> big projects before trying it) or in Europe. But the philosophical
> questions are probably even more worthy of consideration within the pirate
> framework to test what kind of anthropology is ours.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> 2013/7/13 Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com>
>
>> The PP-ES stands in favour of Basic Income.
>>
>> Actually there are already states that have BI implented.
>>
>> Alaska
>> Some Arab emirates, but just for their nationals(emigrants are not
>> included)
>>
>> 20 years ago a political party in Belgium started to defend this and got
>> some hype.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/vivant/60132009232
>> http://www.vivanteurope.org/?lang=en
>>
>> As he was founded by a Millionaire
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet in Belgium and due
>> to their alliance with Liberals, they have been considered a Center-right
>> movement,
>>
>> It is classified as "Progressive Liberalism" also known as "Social
>> Liberalism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_liberalism
>>
>> Roland Duchatelet, it's founder, was Belgian Senator from 2007 > 2011
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet
>>
>>
>> The mixed(french/german) public tv has a special dossier about it
>> http://future.arte.tv/fr/sujet/le-revenu-de-base-promesse-dun-avenir-meilleur (sorry
>> just available in German or French)
>>
>>
>> 2013/7/13 <illunatic at greenpirate.org>
>>
>> Kind of have to agree with that as I recently cut back to two days at my
>>> current job because I need more time available to do other things which pay
>>> more. They job was more than minimum wage, but not enough to fit my lavish
>>> lifestyle (sarcasm).
>>>
>>> Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>  Oh, yeah! Instead of being 50 units short to get to the end of the
>>>> month, people would prefer to have nothing at all. Might be an option for
>>>> people that do not accumulate fixed cost in their aim of running their
>>>> life, like mortgages and such.
>>>>
>>>> I love intelligent comment and cheer it when I see some ;) .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From: me at travismccrea.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:40:15 -0400
>>>>> To: pp.international.general@**lists.pirateweb.net<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into
>>>>> the pirate ideology?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never heard of this argument? in reality it has no basis. If a
>>>>> company was paying you less than basic income, you would just not take the
>>>>> job, or you could quit the job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-07-12, at 10:06 AM, Cal. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 12 July 2013 15:38, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses
>>>>> from some
>>>>> >> unethical companies.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It depends. A common leftist objection on basic income is that it
>>>>> > enables "unethical evil company" to offer jobs for very very very low
>>>>> > wages.
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