[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Travis McCrea]

That is a silly argument -- 
1) not every citizen would take advantage of it, that's like asking if Switzerland could afford the cost of paying every single person's unemployment.
2) You are neglecting the overhead costs of the current welfare systems in addition to what the current welfare systems are paying out

in many cases there will be a net /savings/ by switching to mincome. 

On 2013-07-16, at 2:42 PM, illunatic at greenpirate.org wrote:

> Do you have a source to show that Switzerland actually has the means to fun ?237.360.000.000 annually to pay each citizen ?2.500 per month? If this is not the amount people would receive, please feel free to adjust the math for more or less annual cost.
> 
> Quoting Anouk <jakobsheep at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Small sarcastic footnote, Switserland is a country  that has the funds to
>> do this. And we all now how.
>> 
>> MrNatural
>> On Jul 16, 2013 6:53 PM, "Charly Pache" <charly.pache at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Here the swiss example on what will be added to the constitution if the
>>> citizen approve the basic income votation, it's quite simple, then the
>>> parliament will have to write the corresponding laws (the whole transition
>>> process will take many years):
>>> The Constitution is amended as follows:
>>> 
>>> Art. 110a (new) unconditional basic income
>>> 
>>>     1. The Confederation shall ensure the establishment of an unconditional
>>> basic income.
>>> 
>>>     2. The basic income should allow all people to lead a dignified life and
>>> to participate in public life.
>>> 
>>>     3. The law regulates such funding and the amount of basic income.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Which Pirate parties included the idea of a "basic income" in the core of
>>>> its ideology and/or their electoral program? And which specific model of
>>>> "basic income" was that?
>>>> 
>>>> To be able to talk about this subject meaningfully I think we should
>>>> describe which model of basic income each has in mind.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course we can speak in pure philosophical terms without the need to
>>>> refer to any specific model, but then we should start by defining the
>>>> anthropological basis of "basic income".
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2013/7/16 Zbigniew ?ukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>>> Most of the voices here were in favour of Basic Income.  The general
>>>>> public is probably much more reserved about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are a group selected for our attitude towards copyright, patents
>>>>> and privacy reforms - now we see that we share more than that.  Why is
>>>>> that?  What is the thing that links these subjects?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Z.
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