[pp.int.general] Energy taxation? /was Re: Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

John Nilsson john.nilsson at piratpartiet.se
Thu Jul 18 12:52:06 CEST 2013

No need for some arbitrary energy tax. With some personal carbon
trading[1]  scheme we could let the market decide where to get energy from.


Regarding rising costs of energy. If it is the case, as some think, that we
are heading towards some dire times due to climate change, I don't see any
way around it than to accept that we have to confront those costs head on
and deal with it. If there is no future to borrow from we just cant
postpone the issue, so might as well deal with it now.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18 July 2013 10:58, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This gets a bit off-topic - but it is quite interesting how raising
> > energy and transportation prices seem to be a kind of political taboo
> > in many countries.  I for one would welcome petrol prices high enough
> > to reduce traffic, congestion is a pure waste.
> Every freakin' human activity needs energy. It's very close to raising
> breathable air prices.
> And as of today, only means capable of sustaining our energetic needs
> are: coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear. (Yeah, I hate that anti-nuclear
> blabber [that. is. an. issue. here.], it spreads utter lies about
> renewables having that much power capacity, it makes govts burn coal.
> Which is waaaay worse.)
> When making such arguments, always remember that sun irradiates ≈
> 1kW/(m^2), and the most powerful wind turbine maxes out at 5 MW. And a
> country like italy peaks at ≈ 50 GW (Yep, 10k wind turbines, assuming
> you have infinite wind. That is just not going to happen.)
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