[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Martin Stolze]

John I appreciate your point of view very much. I will call it a day
because I simply lack the resource 'time' to equip myself with enough
knowledge to extend this discussion. Please keep me posted in case you
write something more comprehensive on the topic.

Last but not least: What constitutes "destruction" is probably just a
subjective opinion regarding the state of matter under the consideration
that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. What means
enviromentalism under the aspect that 99% of all species that have lifed on
earth are extinc after 4.54 billion years of it's existence?


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:

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> 2013/7/18 David van Deijk <davidd at piratenpartij.nl>
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>> As soon as the oilcompanies fix the impact they have on the environment
>> we can abolish oil tax.
>>  Oil Tax isnt a fixed amount. If the producer lowers his oil price the
>> tax is lower automaticly.
>> If the oil producer gives it away for free, no taxes are required.
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>> The market is not deciding the oilprice because there is no real
>> competition. The big oil companies are such a cartel that they actually
>> _set_ the price for the entire european market. This is called "Brent". Yes
>> they feign like there is a market for Brent. without a real competitor how
>> can we tell?
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> I believe the issue is a little bit complicated if we add patents here.
> I've heard  the oils and car companies are doing what they need to do to
> try to desmoralize some kind of more efficient transport retaining some
> patents that would kill their winnings.
> I do not have the data about it, so maybe is false.. but it is true,
> trying to compensate via taxes won t be completely usefull
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>> Blazej Kaczorowski schreef op 18.07.2013 11:04:
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>>  W dniu 18.07.2013 10:58, Zbigniew Łukasiak pisze:
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>>>> I for one would welcome petrol prices high enough
>>>> to reduce traffic, congestion is a pure waste.
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>>> I like to have petrol price on a level that market decides it to be
>>> not because of taxes and someone's will. And where is freedom in all
>>> of this?
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>>> BR,
>>> Blazej
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