[pp.int.general] Minutes of PPI GA 2013

Wed Jun 12 01:48:48 CEST 2013

Really, this kiddy behaviour by the majority is sickening me.

The used method is approval voting, with 16 parties present, so minimum 9 votes to get voted in.

That is why Andrew and Arturo are not in.

Abstentions do NOT count, but criterion is NOT >50% of votes cast for each candidate.

Otherwise the one that got 7 for and 6 against would also have been elected with more than 50% of votes cast for him.

And the Catalan issue is still not off the table...

No wonder serious people are scarce among pirates... you really should resign from kindergarten one day, all of you.

Antonio.

> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:51:36 -0400
> From: ktetch at ktetch.co.uk
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Minutes of PPI GA 2013
> 
> Ok, an update on this for those that are interested (and we all should be)
> 
> Nuno's been arguing to have the Court fully constituted as required by
> PPI statutes.
> in the Board meeting 2 weeks ago, he pointed out that under the Rules,
> myself and Arturo were also elected, but that Denis and Sven
> misunderstood the statutes as regards abstentions.
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2013-05-28#6_Activity_of_CoA
> From there, Gregory said he'd check with Sven over the recorded
> accuracy of the votes, if they were accurate, then everything sorted,
> and he'd create the two accounts.
> 
> Now the next meeting was today, and since nothing had moved since
> then, Nuno has raised it again today. You can read the minutes here
> (from line 145) http://ppi.piratenpad.de/agenda-2013-06-11
> Basically, despite it being announced wrong at the time, it can't
> simply be 'corrected'. Instead, now the court must rule on it (???).
> Apparently, the argument was that since no-one objected at the time,
> it can't be fixed, despite me asking for the results of all the
> elections right after
> (http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2013-April/014107.html),
> for that reason.
> So now it rests with the 5 already confirmed CoA members, and it
> really is a no-brainer, but then again so was the invalidity of the
> Catalonia membership a year ago, and look how that turned out
> (http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2012-May/011713.html)
> 
> So, almost 2 months after the Conference, we can maybe finally finish with it.
> 
> Andrew
> sent unsigned from my Android
> +1(352)-6-KTETCH
> 
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Nuno Cardoso
> <nuno.cardoso at pp-international.net> wrote:
> > Seems pretty simple to me as well, both Andrew Norton and Arturo Martínez
> > are also elected members of the CoA and should be considered as such  even
> > if at the time there was a misinterpretation of the statutes.
> > Congratulations to both :)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at ktetch.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> "at 4:42:33 Sven says that 17 votes were recieved, the quorum is at 9
> >> votes and that those 5 candidates were elected"
> >>
> >> Rules of Proceedure
> >>
> >> (http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2013/GA_meeting/RoP#Art._6a_Elections)
> >> state
> >> Election Method
> >>
> >> a) Before the voting, the number of elected positions should be
> >> decided, if Statutes require to do so.
> >> b) Every Ordinary Member may vote "yes" for any number of candidates.
> >> c) The candidates that has achieved a simple majority of the "yes"
> >> votes from Ordinary Members present or represented and voting on
> >> them[18] are elected in the order determined by number of "yes" votes
> >> accumulated. Abstentions are not taken into account. In event of a tie
> >> where order matters, deciding elections are held, where only one "yes"
> >> vote per Ordinary Member can be cast.
> >> d) If the decided number(Art. 6a(6a)) of positions is not filled,
> >> additional round of elections is held unless decided otherwise.
> >>
> >> 8 YES 6 NO is a simple majority when abstentions are not taken into
> >> account (57%). Nothing about a decided 'quorum' in there (and in fact
> >> the unknown nature of abstentions mean you can't do it anyway) at all.
> >>
> >> Seems pretty simple to me.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Pat Mächler
> >> <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
> >> > The following is according to my visual observations on said recordings,
> >> > that I preliminary recieved
> >> > The times mentionned are relative to the video; not actual daytime
> >> >
> >> > at 4:30:20 the chair (Sven) announces that the ballot papers are
> >> > prepared
> >> > and the he CoA vote
> >> > for the next 95 seconds Sven signs 16 voting cards (acoording to visual
> >> > calculation) and
> >> > hands out election ballot sheets to delegates and proxies along with the
> >> > chair assistant (Denis)
> >> >
> >> > at 4:32:10 Sven announces the vote to be open (for 4 minutes) and leaves
> >> > the
> >> > recording picture
> >> > at 4:32:40 he re-enters to the recording picture (returns to the table
> >> > to
> >> > answer questions)
> >> > at 4:33:10 he leaves the table again
> >> > at 4:35:00 he re-enters to the recording picture
> >> > at 4:36:30 Denis leaves the recording picture
> >> > at 4:36:40 Sven leaves the recording picture
> >> > around 4:37:23 Sven and Denis are entering and leaving the recording
> >> > picture
> >> > within 5 seconds
> >> > at 4:42:00 the camera angle turns towards right; Sven and Denis can be
> >> > seen;
> >> > about 50% of the chair table can be seen
> >> > at 4:42:20 they walk to the left side; Sven can't be seen anymore
> >> > at 4:42:25 Denis walks out of the recording picture
> >> > at 4:42:30 the camera turns right again (the chair table can be seen for
> >> > about 75%); Sven sits at the table
> >> > at 4:42:33 Sven says that 17 votes were recieved, the quorum is at 9
> >> > votes
> >> > and that those 5 candidates were elected
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Pat Mächler
> >> > <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> According to the election notes I have here, I strongly assume that the
> >> >> chair calculated with 17 votes cast and an absolute majority was
> >> >> necessary.
> >> >> However I got only 16 ballot papers.
> >> >> I assume the missing vote could be by the UK who decided to generally
> >> >> abstain; however there is no such sheet among the ballot papers (in
> >> >> contrast
> >> >> to all other elections, where there was a blank UK ballot sheet
> >> >> provided).
> >> >> I will back check ASAP with the preliminary video recordings I got from
> >> >> Wolfgang Preiss whether it could be inferred that UK cast an abstention
> >> >> vote
> >> >> there.
> >> >>
> >> >> -pat
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Mozart Palmer
> >> >> <mozart.palmer at pp-international.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is there a reason why there are only five members of the Court of
> >> >>> Arbitration elected? The statutes provide for up to seven, meaning
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> Arturo and Andrew should be elected according to the results.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 16 May 2013 05:46, Pat Mächler
> >> >>> <patrick.maechler at pp-international.net>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dear pirates,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Please find here the current status of the minutes of the PPI GA
> >> >>>> 2013. I
> >> >>>> would be grateful if you could provide corrections to me via mail.
> >> >>>> 4 weeks afterwards the minutes will be automatically accepted
> >> >>>> according
> >> >>>> to the RoP.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2013/GA_meeting/Minutes
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You can blame the delay on me; part of the problem was, that I wanted
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> back check the recordings about the member application ballots (they
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> too fast).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> fair winds
> >> >>>> Pat / Valio / vvv
> >> >>>>
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