[pp.int.general] Formal complaint about the administration/moderation of PPI mailing lists

[kenneth at pirata.cat]

I do completely agree with you, Josef. We need to do something.

However, I prefer a mailing list to a Reddit-alike forum, so, if this
mailing list can't be cleaned and is "orphaned" as said by some PPI
officials, then I'd ask you to create a new one under control of Pirate
Times or PPI (I don't really care whilst there's some rules, decency and
someone to be contacted in case of emergency :) ).


Regards!

Kenneth

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:32:39 -0500, Josef Ohlsson Collentine
<international at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> It's hard to make a "formal complaint" about an informal mail list. As
far
> as I'm aware PPI has nothing to do with the moderation of this list. It
was
> an international list set up many years ago (I believe before or just
when
> PPI was created) by PPSE. Thus it's hosted by PPSE and currently the
list
> is run by rick at piratpartiet.se, richie at
> webhackande.se<pp.international.general-owner at lists.pirateweb.net>
> 
> Thus it probably makes more sense complaining directly to them. I know
in
> the past there's been a big "no-moderation at all costs" approach on
this
> list but I agree with Kenneth that some is needed. I'm still on list
> because there's no other place and sometimes the things discussed are
> interesting even if it's rare.
> 
> There are way too many personal attacks, repeated discussions and one
word
> responses  (e.g. the 'lol' response to Kenneth) that adds nothing to the
> discussion and obliterates a lot of the interesting conversations. With
the
> negative atmosphere on this list there are many people that avoid
> discussing here because they know that it will seldom lead to a good
> constructive conversation. If the persons responsible for running this
list
> don't act by changing something I suggest that people interested in
> constructive conversations move to another place. Would prefer that we
all
> stayed here and just changed the rules on the list though.
> 
> One alternative is trying to make http://www.reddit.com/r/PirateParty/
into
> a place to discuss international pirate news. Another is opening up a
new
> mail-list with rules for keeping down the noise and keeping the quality
of
> conversations up. If there is an interest and nothing happens to this
list
> Pirate Times might do a new mail-list to discuss the news we post as
well
> as other topics that might become future news.
> 
> Suggested moderation for posts:
> * personal attacks
> * one word responses (adds nothing but noise to conversations)
> * off-topic replies (start a new thread instead)
> * repeated issues (no point discussing the same thing twice if no new
info
> has come to light)
> * (any others?)
> 
> -> people breaking these rules can be warned first and then set on
> mod-status and admins need to approve each message by them or just
kicked
> off list if they continuously break rules.
> 
> Kindly,
> Josef
> 
> p.s. these are my personal opinions and do not reflect PPSE or Pirate
> Times.
> 
> 
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>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:50:42 +0200
>> From: <kenneth at pirata.cat>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>,
>>         <co-chairmen at pp-international.net>,
<board at pp-international.net>,
>>         <coa at pp-international.net>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
>>         ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
>> Message-ID: <9755ed835bcb61e86ce7c93e092af8bb at 127.0.0.1>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>
>> For months we've been flooded by mails from a bunch of guys with too
much
>> spare time, working towards their own private agenda, without any kind
of
>> support from their respective parties.
>>
>> This is fucking unacceptable.
>>
>> I am really angry with whoever is responsible for this mailing list.
>>
>>
>> These people are REGULARLY BULLING AND HARASSING OTHER PIRATES, and
>> NOBODY
>> DOES A FUCKING THING IN ORDER TO STOP THIS:
>>
>> I am one of the regularly insulted ones, and this is gonna be my
crusade
>> until something is done.
>>
>>
>> Options/Alternatives:
>>
>> - Push away people disturbing this mailing list (people without any
kind
>> of support from their respective parties)
>> - Create a new (open) mailing list where ONLY PEOPLE AUTHORIZED BY
THEIR
>> RESPECTIVE PARTIES CAN JOIN
>>
>>
>> Otherwise this isn't the place where we could talk, share, coordinate
and
>> make anything at all, and I loved the time when we could did so here
>> (remember Wikileaks-TF or MENA-countries-TF?).
>>
>>
>> This is a formal complaint, and I want a formal reply from Bureau and
CoA
>> at least.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kenneth Peiruza
>>
>>