[pp.int.general] Rättning mittåt, sort of: some thoughts for the mailing list

[Anton Nordenfur]

(These opinions are my own and not those of Piratpartiet or any other 
organisations I often represent.)

If anyone feels like they want to make a new mailing list, either 
heavily moderated or as open as this one, please do. This mailing list 
is basically dead by now, and I would be glad to migrate.

There is nothing wrong with a moderated list - the problem is when 
you're not clear about the rules. If someone is planning to make a 
moderated list, be clear about the rules from the beginning and be 
consequent when they aren't being followed.

Best regards,
aki


On Sat 15 Jun 2013 02:58:57 PM CEST, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> This is bullshit, moreover when very few people keep on harassing and
> insulting anyone not agreeing with them here.
>
> This isn't a swarm, it's a melting pot of activists from parties at a
> diferent stage of maturity + a bunch of fools/morons.
>
> So, if this list can't be that swarm, let's start a new and fresh one
> (as you suggested in your  swarmwise).
>
> If you want to relly me, add me to cc, as I have just unsubscribed.
> It's sad, I've been in this mailing list since 2009, but right now
> it's just a piece of shit. This "swarm" is dead.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
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> De: "Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet)" <rick.falkvinge at piratpartiet.se>
> Data: 15/06/2013 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
> A: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Assumpte: [pp.int.general] Rättning mittåt, sort of: some thoughts for
> the mailing list
>
>
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> I read the notice of a formal complaint about this channel. It was not
> set up to be a moderated channel, nor is it one. Therefore, a formal
> complaint is kind of an oxymoron as there are no formal rules to base
> a complaint on.
>
> After all, rules that cannot reasonably be enforced are not rules you
> want to have. You cannot keep somebody from posting to an open list,
> and openness is a virtue. The alternative would be moderating posts
> and/or participants, and that's not who we are; that's not the swarm
> way of collaborating.
>
>
> Instead, I'd like to remind everybody about two important principles:
>
> - - Attention is reward.
> - - If you see something you don't like, contribute with something
>   you do like.
>
>
> ATTENTION IS REWARD: If you give somebody attention for a behavior,
> you will reinforce that behavior, whether the behavior is something
> you want to see more or less of. This means that giving attention to
> things you dislike is inherently self-defeating, as they will be
> nurtured by your attention.
>
>
> IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, CONTRIBUTE WITH SOMETHING YOU DO
> LIKE: This is closely related to the Law of Two Feet. We're a
> meritocracy where we're dependent on many people trying many different
> things. Leadership with us is not achieved by vote or appointment, but
> by taking an initiative and letting others follow that initiative of
> their own free will. Disliking an initiative is fine, but criticizing
> the initiative from that emotion misses the point - being pioneers, we
> must necessarily try many paths, and many of them will be dead ends,
> but we don't know that before trying them. The more paths we try, the
> more ways of success we'll find. Therefore, the proper response to
> seeing somebody walk down a path you don't believe in is to walk down
> your own path that you believe more in.
>
>
> (As a final plug, these and many more principles are covered more
> in-depth in my book Swarmwise, which covers my leadership experiences
> taking the PPSE from nothing into the European Parliament. Five
> chapters have been published so far, and you can read them here:
>
> http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/
>
> )
>
> Cheers,
> Rick
>
>
>
> PS: On the rare occasion, I have seen disrespect against fellow
> activists on this mailing list, and I never think that's ok. Whether
> to call it out or not is a judgment call on a case-by-case basis, but
> that will not be done by the mailing list maintainers in that role.
> See the two names as technical administrators of the mailing list
> server, and not enforcers of any kind of social rules.
>
>
> - --
> Rick Falkvinge
> Founder of the first Pirate Party
> Piratpartiet SE
>
> @Falkvinge
> +46708303600
>
> Blog, bio and press photos at http://falkvinge.net/photos-bio/
>
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