[pp.int.general] Rättning mittåt, sort of: some thoughts for the mailing list

[Tom Behets]

I think for rules, this can be quite simple.

No personal attacks allowed.
And personal also means a group.


On 15 Jun 2013, at 15:11, Anton Nordenfur <anton at nordenfur.se> wrote:

> (These opinions are my own and not those of Piratpartiet or any other organisations I often represent.)
> 
> If anyone feels like they want to make a new mailing list, either heavily moderated or as open as this one, please do. This mailing list is basically dead by now, and I would be glad to migrate.
> 
> There is nothing wrong with a moderated list - the problem is when you're not clear about the rules. If someone is planning to make a moderated list, be clear about the rules from the beginning and be consequent when they aren't being followed.
> 
> Best regards,
> aki
> 
> 
> On Sat 15 Jun 2013 02:58:57 PM CEST, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> This is bullshit, moreover when very few people keep on harassing and
>> insulting anyone not agreeing with them here.
>> 
>> This isn't a swarm, it's a melting pot of activists from parties at a
>> diferent stage of maturity + a bunch of fools/morons.
>> 
>> So, if this list can't be that swarm, let's start a new and fresh one
>> (as you suggested in your  swarmwise).
>> 
>> If you want to relly me, add me to cc, as I have just unsubscribed.
>> It's sad, I've been in this mailing list since 2009, but right now
>> it's just a piece of shit. This "swarm" is dead.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kenneth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Missatge original --------
>> De: "Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet)" <rick.falkvinge at piratpartiet.se>
>> Data: 15/06/2013 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
>> A: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Assumpte: [pp.int.general] Rättning mittåt, sort of: some thoughts for
>> the mailing list
>> 
>> 
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>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> I read the notice of a formal complaint about this channel. It was not
>> set up to be a moderated channel, nor is it one. Therefore, a formal
>> complaint is kind of an oxymoron as there are no formal rules to base
>> a complaint on.
>> 
>> After all, rules that cannot reasonably be enforced are not rules you
>> want to have. You cannot keep somebody from posting to an open list,
>> and openness is a virtue. The alternative would be moderating posts
>> and/or participants, and that's not who we are; that's not the swarm
>> way of collaborating.
>> 
>> 
>> Instead, I'd like to remind everybody about two important principles:
>> 
>> - - Attention is reward.
>> - - If you see something you don't like, contribute with something
>>  you do like.
>> 
>> 
>> ATTENTION IS REWARD: If you give somebody attention for a behavior,
>> you will reinforce that behavior, whether the behavior is something
>> you want to see more or less of. This means that giving attention to
>> things you dislike is inherently self-defeating, as they will be
>> nurtured by your attention.
>> 
>> 
>> IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, CONTRIBUTE WITH SOMETHING YOU DO
>> LIKE: This is closely related to the Law of Two Feet. We're a
>> meritocracy where we're dependent on many people trying many different
>> things. Leadership with us is not achieved by vote or appointment, but
>> by taking an initiative and letting others follow that initiative of
>> their own free will. Disliking an initiative is fine, but criticizing
>> the initiative from that emotion misses the point - being pioneers, we
>> must necessarily try many paths, and many of them will be dead ends,
>> but we don't know that before trying them. The more paths we try, the
>> more ways of success we'll find. Therefore, the proper response to
>> seeing somebody walk down a path you don't believe in is to walk down
>> your own path that you believe more in.
>> 
>> 
>> (As a final plug, these and many more principles are covered more
>> in-depth in my book Swarmwise, which covers my leadership experiences
>> taking the PPSE from nothing into the European Parliament. Five
>> chapters have been published so far, and you can read them here:
>> 
>> http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/
>> 
>> )
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PS: On the rare occasion, I have seen disrespect against fellow
>> activists on this mailing list, and I never think that's ok. Whether
>> to call it out or not is a judgment call on a case-by-case basis, but
>> that will not be done by the mailing list maintainers in that role.
>> See the two names as technical administrators of the mailing list
>> server, and not enforcers of any kind of social rules.
>> 
>> 
>> - --
>> Rick Falkvinge
>> Founder of the first Pirate Party
>> Piratpartiet SE
>> 
>> @Falkvinge
>> +46708303600
>> 
>> Blog, bio and press photos at http://falkvinge.net/photos-bio/
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