[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 76, Issue 65

[Antonio Garcia]

Dear pirates,

It can not be denied, there are deep troubles in Pirate Territory.

I'm not going to answer each and everyones little concerns 
personally, that would need too many messages and clutter the list 
with what most would consider spam :( . So this is for all...

The distinguished colleague Francisco George that pulled me off the 
Spanish mailinglist on his single initiative, doing what HE thought 
was the right thing to do for the party, has nevertheless conceded a 
few messages ago that he voluntarily agreed that the diagnostic 
about the problems the Spanish Pirate Party was facing that I shared 
with him was right. The only prolem is that the diagnosis is cancer 
with metastasis... and that the patient does object to the treatment 
being radio and chemotherapy. Thus I started the treatment, both 
radio and chemo... and at a moment where the patient was whining 
about it very hard... Francisco stabbed me and all the done effort 
in the back and sided with the patient, and now all they want to 
have is candy. Candy as treatment, and sweet talk as communication.

Anything short of telling everybody how nice he is, even after 
spitting in the common soup, is met with a citation of the official 
Declaration of Human Rights... the majority votes that it has the 
human right to be less than intelligent, less than logic and less 
than ethic. Of course, such a majority does not care about minority 
rights and freedom of expression... all it wants is to assert the 
right not to be bothered with whatever it does not want to hear. And 
then of course, it does what it wants... the less than intelligent, 
less than logic and less than ethic things they can come up with 
themselves. Anything beyond its understanding is simply voted away. 
Do not believe my word on it... see for yourselves what they have 
achieved... not. And of course, I and my not so simple words are the 
one and only allpower that may have done everything that has been 
done to keep them from achieving what was their birthright to 
achieve ;).

That is why finally they always complain about the fact that I go on 
and go on applying the treatment... and never have any intelligent 
idea to propose. But certainly... some of you must already have 
understood the dilemma... before the cure is achieved, any proposal 
too complex for a less than intelligent, less than logic and less 
than ethic majority... will either be discarded as a threat to this 
majority (even preventively, because non-understanding leads to 
rejection to avoid possible trojan horses) or abused to achieve some 
other interest of that group.

I would not care to bother you all with these thoughts of mine, were 
it not that I see the same disease pattern at work almost everywhere 
in the Pirate Universe.

The fact that too many of the members of any Pirate Organization 
oversimplify too much, leaves us EVERYWHERE (but hopefully some 
honourable exceptions like the Swedish Pirate Party with their 
pragmatic leadership and the Icelandic one with being of very recent 
constitution and full of rational anarchists :) ) with a situation 
that I have so far graphically described as Kindergarten.

My Belgian friends possibly won't agree... but then, what of any 
significance have they been able to agree upon lately? You know my 
Spanish friends, both Castillian and Catalan won't agree, they are 
becoming vocal about it in their clumsy ways on this list for you to 
have a little glimpse of what I have had to endure so far.

Worse, the German Pirate Party is falling apart for exactly the same 
reasons, between Altpiraten and Neupiraten, and liberal pragmatics 
and lefties, and if they are those responsible for shoving a chimney 
pipe up my ass at the PPI GA in Kazan/Brussels, it is because their 
pragmatic "leadership" has placed their short term interest of 
trying to get some of theirs into the German Bundestag and the 
European Parliament before respect for logic, ethic and pirate 
values. Because if they do not personally get in before the 
disintegrating party finally vanishes... their personal investment 
until today will have been in vain.

They have no diagnosis for the illness of the party, and thus no cure.

So damn everything and cash in before the stock value vanishes :( .

Everybody knows, or should know, what happened in Prague, during 
2012, and in Kazan/Brussels... I've bothered to be vocal enough not 
to alow for the simple excuse of ignorance of facts...

... yet the few in control have done what they have done, aided by 
the silence and coward complicity of those that do not want to know 
about difficulties beyond their simple understanding, or even too 
down the line to even be aware of anything not being done right.

Yet the simplest demand of an overwhelming part of the vocal 
majority... is that it wants me to leave them alone.

Know though, that your illness is terminal without a proper 
assessment and a down all the way treatment.

And finally... do as you wish.


These are fine words to end with, for someone universally portrayed 
as a big dictator :) .


Antonio. 

> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:05:56 +0200
> From: hernenya at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 76, Issue 65
> 
> 
> Isabel Fernandez
> GPG EA63DF8E
> www.piratasdegalicia.org
> 
> El 17/06/13 13:39, Galileo Galilei escribió:
> > That's a good point to discuss... Let's argue why you think about that
> > kind of censorship.
> >
> > In my opinion, what you think is censorship are good manners, and it
> > is one of our social skills needed not to become barbarians. Nothing
> > to do with exposing whatever you want.
> +1000000. Completetly agree with this. Nothing to add.
> >
> > You can expose what you think without saying noone he/she is stupid,
> > If you fail  with it you are no more than a bullying aggressor. No
> > point you thik it is an exagerated comparision. People could not say
> > why they think only for not beeing bullyed, and that's another kind of
> > censorship more disrespectful and hateful in my opinion.
> Yes. That's true. And all of us have manifested in our core values that 
> we refuse any kind of violence.
> 
> Violence starts with a bad and closed attitude, then it increases with 
> the words we choose to use, and if no one stops the cicle of violence, 
> the gravity of the agressions increases faster until people envolved 
> reach to the point to attempt physical violence.
> 
> We have to learn to qualify acts or ideas instead of doing so to people. 
> We have to treat ourselves and others in a civilized way.
> 
> Good to see you again Galileo. :)
> >
> > Be free to give your opinion, all of you. It is necessary everyone
> > shows their own opinion for not having misunderstandings.
> >
> >
> 
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