[pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS

Sun Jun 23 16:26:05 CEST 2013

Neither do I know. But if half the mails are mine then the fault lies elsewhere. Maybe too many shun the serious stuff, while others wouldn't but are not sufficiently proficient in English to present and defend any of their arguments.

What we can take for granted, is that we have more than enough serious subject matter to talk about, if only more people thought really doing it would be of any real use.

Not even Kenneth Peiruza deletes my mails :), and If you had done so, you would not have written the comment I'm answering to.

There is a simple way to make me write less... leave less issues pending, and write less lies I feel compelled to correct.

Anything else is wishful thinking and antonomic to being a pirate.

Just think a bit about it with your prodigious analitic mind.

And be a pirate, goddamned!

Voor jou kan ik het ook in het nederlands uitspellen als het moet ;) . 

Antonio.

> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:24:32 +0200
> From: thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
> 
> Antonio: I dunno how many people are on this mailing list, but half the 
> mails are yours. How about you limit yourself to one mail a day, think 
> over a bit what you write down, make it a logical, consice series of 
> statements, and we stop deleting your mails unread, as I'm sure everyone 
> is doing.
> 
> Antonio Garcia schreef op 22.06.2013 20:44:
> > Freedom of speech should be no alien concept to pirates, dear
> > brethren.
> >
> > And justice is not serviced by silencing the victims.
> >
> > Maybe, only maybe... you should review you conscience.
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > From: adrian.ppgr at gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:36:32 +0300
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
> > ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
> >
> >  You guys apparently have a difficulty to grasp the concept of 
> > "enough
> > already". It is becoming sad.
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Antonio Garcia" <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
> > <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> > Subject: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
> > ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
> > Date: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 21:09
> >
> > I did run for office... and got elected. I am an officially elected
> > member of the board of the Spanish Pirate Party.
> >
> > That makes me ONE, in a minority position within a sadly not cured of
> > disfunctionality board, in a not cured of disfunctionality party.
> >
> > I guess previous and present members of the Board of PPI know how
> > frustrating it is when the majority of an organ they belong to is
> > unable to tacle issues in a logically, ethically and rule abiding way
> > with a diligence showing that some intelligence is present and having
> > effects.
> >
> > Dealing with such an issue in Spain is enough of a job.
> >
> > Imagine if what has been done to me since the shit in Prague had been
> > done to me being a member of the board of PPI.
> >
> > Imagine if on top of the shit done to me in Kazan/Brussels... I had
> > candidated for a post on the Board... and been elected if only for
> > lack of any more appreciated candidate.
> >
> > No, friend... I took the chance with the Board of the Spanish Pirate
> > Party because there was a possibility, which did NOT materialise, to
> > have a majority of intelligent and committed pirates elected and then
> > a cure for the parties long-time ilnesses applied.
> >
> > I see none such possibility for the PPI remotely available.
> >
> > That is why I did not candidate for anything PPI.
> >
> > That is also the reason why, despite the fact that at the time I 
> > spent
> > 1/3 of my total "wealth" to be present in Prague in order to share
> > ideas and strategies of mine with the Pirate Movement, I kept my 
> > mouth
> > shut while the "Catalan" issue got no satisfying answer. It has shown
> > itself as the only right thing to do... as it is dangerous to put red
> > triggers in the hands of crooks and kids.
> >
> > And as the movement continues not to be able to live up to the values
> > it purportedly heralds...
> >
> > ... it may become unavoidable to split away from the crooks and the
> > kids in order to be able to acomplish anything useful at all.
> >
> > We will undoubtedly analyse how far that might eventually go, if at
> > all possible and somehow useful.
> >
> > Can't be done in a few days, though.
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:18:18 +0100
> > From: nuno.cardoso at pp-international.net
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
> > ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Antonio Garcia
> > <ningunotro at hotmail.com [1]> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Nuno. Very telling this time.
> >
> > Always glad to help...
> >
> >> So, pretty much... if it does not have "leaders" in it it is not
> >> official?
> >
> > That is not what I said. I said it's not official because it isn't 
> > run
> > by the PPI, how could it even be official? ;-)
> >
> > And nobody can s
> >
> >> own criteria. Of course the "leaders" lists are for
> >> "representatives"/"delegates"/"leaders", whatever name t
> >  PP members deem to call the persons from their party responsible to
> > be there in their behalf. Some PP's don't even have "leaders". But of
> > course they need to be accredited, otherwise impostors may appear and
> > claim to speak on anyone's behalf, you wouldn't want that, now would
> > you?
> >
> > just as I was phisically prevented from getting on the mic in 
> > Brussels
> > because nobody from the "leaders" wanted me to mention what had to be
> > said... part of what is considered s
> >
> >> Were you an official delegate of a member? If yes, then that member
> >> PP should complain if "leaders" from other members prevented their
> >> official delegate from addressing the GA. If you were not an
> >> official delegate then you can't normally a
> >  unless you run for some kind of office.
> >
> > If you can't bring your PP, or any other member, to back you up, for
> > whatever reason, and you wish to have a more individual participation
> > on the pirate movement organizations then you should join Pirates
> > Without Borders since their membership is made up of individuals and
> > not institutions.
> >
> > You could also try forking the PPI as you said you would and see how
> > that goes.
> >
> > But of course, to be a real pirate you don't even need to depend on
> > institutions, be they Pirate Parties, organizations of Pirate 
> > Parties,
> > organizations of individual Pirates, etc, you only need to follow the
> > Pirate ideals and be constructive about it, and if you do something
> > awesome, people will flock to it in your lead. How about that awesome
> > solution for everyone to become a pirate supporter brewing in your
> > head that you never told anyone just because...well, because of
> > whatever... :-P
> >
> > I guess the few ethicless apparatchik that run PPI since it started
> > can keep the empty embarassing bag it has become...
> >
> > No matter how much some try to make it so, PPI isn't an "embarrassing
> > bag", some threads of the cloth t
> >
> >> v>
> > ="ltr">The bureaucrats that run the "official channels" do not care
> > how the kids play :-) .
> >
> > Why haven't you run for office then? You could then help change 
> > things
> > you disagree with. How about that for a change? Or are you just
> > another embarrassed thread of the great pirate cloth? ;-)
> >
> > Pirate regards,
> > Nuno
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com
> 
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