[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 76, Issue 85
Galileo Galilei
otrosmundos at gmail.com
Sun Jun 30 16:29:36 CEST 2013
Trying to do an start of it in benicasim actually. In talks with jamendo
and with associations from benicasim to let it be posible.
Benicasim is a place in Spain where it has two relevant music festivals..
FIB and Rototom, in summer.
Ahoi.
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> 1. I had this dream once... (pirate at valio.ch)
> 2. Re: I had this dream once... (Antonio Garcia)
> 3. Re: Then... (pirate at valio.ch)
> 4. Re: I had this dream once... (David van Deijk)
> 5. Re: I had this dream once... (Zopokx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
> From: pirate at valio.ch
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
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> ...of pirate woodstock
>
> a festival...
> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
> Flattr-like-mechanism
> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
>
> because
> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
> hardly eligible
> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
> intended to be excluded by economical means
> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
> speaking about how we want the world
>
> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
> noticed.
> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
> me an utopian fool.
>
> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
> crusted very soon.
>
> -pat
>
> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
> http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:00:43 +0000
> From: Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> Message-ID: <DUB119-W4885E710FBCC0903D990ECDC770 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it can't be
> built on lies.
>
> Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
>
>
> Antonio.
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
> > From: pirate at valio.ch
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> >
> > ...of pirate woodstock
> >
> > a festival...
> > ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
> > ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> > ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
> > where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
> > public wifi, remix with other and publish it
> > ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
> > promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
> > radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
> > Flattr-like-mechanism
> > ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
> > (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
> > the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
> > are allowed to call yourself part of the event
> > ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
> >
> > because
> > ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> > ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
> > hardly eligible
> > ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
> > on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
> > [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> > ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> > constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
> > obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
> > [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> > ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
> > intended to be excluded by economical means
> > ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
> > speaking about how we want the world
> >
> > Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> > Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
> noticed.
> > Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
> > me an utopian fool.
> >
> > But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> > The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
> > are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
> > crusted very soon.
> >
> > -pat
> >
> > [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
> > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> > [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
> > [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
> > [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
> > http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
> > [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
> > [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
> > [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> > https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
> > [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:17:31 +0200
> From: pirate at valio.ch
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Then...
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> ...why are you here Antonio?
> ...why do you stay here if you don't have a dream?
> ...why do you keep telling us things we already know of is your opinion?
> ...does it provide satisfaction to you?
> ...is there any altruistic intent?
> ...do you want to do something else in your life?
>
> I mean this in a humble, not sarcastic way.
> Have you ever bothered asked yourself these questions?
>
> Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>
> > Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it
> > can't be built on lies.
> >
> > Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
> >
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
> >> From: pirate at valio.ch
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> >>
> >> ...of pirate woodstock
> >>
> >> a festival...
> >> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
> >> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> >> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
> >> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
> >> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
> >> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
> >> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
> >> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
> >> Flattr-like-mechanism
> >> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
> >> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to
> >> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
> >> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
> >> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
> >>
> >> because
> >> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> >> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
> >> hardly eligible
> >> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending
> >> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art
> >> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> >> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> >> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
> >> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
> >> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> >> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
> >> intended to be excluded by economical means
> >> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
> >> speaking about how we want the world
> >>
> >> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> >> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are
> >> hardly noticed.
> >> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call
> >> me an utopian fool.
> >>
> >> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> >> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we
> >> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
> >> crusted very soon.
> >>
> >> -pat
> >>
> >> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
> >> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> >> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
> >> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
> >> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
> >> http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
> >> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
> >> http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
> >> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
> >> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> >> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
> >> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
> >>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:21:22 +0200
> From: David van Deijk <davidd at piratenpartij.nl>
> To: <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> Message-ID: <a5dc25a21658331ec1087f637e6de2f6 at piratenpartij.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> For people like you i have organised a special party.
>
> It's called the "bitter" party. only bitter people are allowed.
>
> We will party with coffee that has gone cold, black chocolate, brussels
> sprouts and chicory (raw).
>
> people that still have a glimmer of hope left can go to Valio's party
> instead. only embittered people are welcome at my party.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Antonio Garcia schreef op 29.06.2013 23:00:
> > Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it
> > can't
> > be built on lies.
> >
> > Lies do not marry emotions all that well.
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200
> >> From: pirate at valio.ch
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
> >>
> >> ...of pirate woodstock
> >>
> >> a festival...
> >> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
> >> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> >> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors,
> > but
> >> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over
> >> public wifi, remix with other and publish it
> >> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to
> >> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate
> >
> >> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by
> > a
> >> Flattr-like-mechanism
> >> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none
> >> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying
> > to
> >> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and
> >
> >> are allowed to call yourself part of the event
> >> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
> >>
> >> because
> >> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> >> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that
> > is
> >> hardly eligible
> >> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't
> > depending
> >> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all
> > art
> >> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> >> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> >> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead
> > of
> >> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart
> > list
> >> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> >> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is
> > not
> >> intended to be excluded by economical means
> >> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and
> >> speaking about how we want the world
> >>
> >> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> >> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
> > noticed.
> >> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll
> > call
> >> me an utopian fool.
> >>
> >> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> >> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why
> > we
> >> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes
> >> crusted very soon.
> >>
> >> -pat
> >>
> >> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license
> >> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> >> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.info/
> >> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
> >> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
> >>
> >
> > http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf
> >> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math
> > http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
> >> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content
> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
> >> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> >> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
> >> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs
> >>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> David van Deijk.
> Kandidaat Tweede Kamer 2012,
> Ledenraadslid 2013-
> Piratenpartij Nederland
> David.van.Deijk at piratenpartij.nl
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 00:05:33 +0200
> From: Zopokx <zopokx at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...
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> I love it <3
> El 29/06/2013 22:37, <pirate at valio.ch> escribi?:
>
> > ...of pirate woodstock
> >
> > a festival...
> > ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded
> > ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone
> > ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but
> > where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over public
> > wifi, remix with other and publish it
> > ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to promote
> > their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate radio, stage
> > w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a
> > Flattr-like-mechanism
> > ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none (or
> at
> > least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to the rules
> > stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and are allowed to
> > call yourself part of the event
> > ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal
> >
> > because
> > ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals
> > ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is
> > hardly eligible
> > ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending on
> > current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art [1]
> > without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]
> > ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not
> > constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of
> > obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list
> [4])
> > and are told you are producing "content" [5]
> > ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not
> > intended to be excluded by economical means
> > ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and speaking
> > about how we want the world
> >
> > Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.
> > Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly
> > noticed.
> > Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call me
> > an utopian fool.
> >
> > But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.
> > The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we are
> > here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes crusted very
> > soon.
> >
> > -pat
> >
> > [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license http://creativecommons.org/**
> > publicdomain/zero/1.0/ <
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/>
> > [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix http://everythingisaremix.**info/<
> http://everythingisaremix.info/>
> > [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
> > v=oOlDewpCfZQ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ>
> > [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.
> >
> http://www.write4kids.com/**blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/**05/doctorow.pdf
> <http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf>
> > [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math http://www.salon.com/2000/06/**
> > 14/love_7/ <http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/>
> > [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/**
> > words-to-avoid.html#Content<
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content>
> > [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
> > https://projects.eff.org/~**barlow/Declaration-Final.html<
> https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html>
> > [7] Falkvinge - why are you here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
> > v=nCbRX1YEqrs <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs>
> >
> > ______________________________**______________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general@**lists.pirateweb.net<
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
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