[pp.int.general] Transparency in the party

[kenneth at pirata.cat]

Brains are always missing around you... curious, right?



On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:43:18 +0000, Antonio Garcia
<ningunotro at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Brains. Beppe Grillo has got brains ;) .
> 
> I was going to say something about a certain master strategy... but I
> could not find the right spelling on their website (a pleasant surprise
I
> was not expecting anymore). Still, a certain Rick Falkvinge must be
> dreaming about Beppe Grillo's present strategical situation.
> 
> Some pirates, like Italian and Dutch ones... apparently lack brains.
> Before you all have a go at my throat... I find them also sorely missing
> among my brethren in the Iberian Peninsula.
> 
> 
> Antonio.
> 
> From: i at dario.im
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:15:30 +0100
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party
> 
> 
> 2013/2/27  <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl>
> 
> 
> So do I, oh so do I.
> 
> 
> 
> Antonio Garcia schreef op 27.02.2013 15:11:
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.
> 
> 
> 
> But then, I am eagerly awaiting a Beppe Grillo in the Netherlands
> 
> also.
> 
> 
> 
> I feel curious. What is the real difference between M5S and PP, the one
> that makes you desire to have your own Beppe Grillo?
> 
> 
> I don't disagree with making a politician public and accountable in
front
> of society because he is part of the public system but I don't think M5S
is
> 100% pirate, it just looks alike. Using LQFB or fighting corruption
doesn't
> make it pirate. From what I read [0], M5S has a strong (but incomplete)
> position in economics, mainly interventionist (far away from usual
> socialdemocracy) and many other things which are "so so" in freedom
terms.
> 
> 
> I see too some points that are part of Pirate core ideology but I keep
> thinking that it doesn't make it a pirate-compatible movement.
> I don't mean that we must be "pure and clean". Their programme isn't
> particularly better than any of PP-CAT programmes. The main difference
must
> be the number of persons participating on its redaction, that's why it
is a
> bit broader (although having only 13 pages, which is fine) but also
> scatterer.
> 
> 
> What I really mean is that they could make it better, more of a
framework
> than a random list of specific actions/promises that just sound
right/good
> to a lot of people. I must point too that every country is pretty
different
> in their political dynamics so I think it is less probable to see these
> results on other countries.
> 
> 
> [0]
>
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