[pp.int.general] Transparency in the party

[Antonio Garcia]

Oh, yeah, very curious.

I would not mind if only I were able to detect their presence, or even the obvious results of their inspired action, even a little further away.

I spent money I could have better spent otherwise to look for them as far as in Prague.

Those of you not totally deprived of them can imagine how deceiving an experience that must have been.


At least I saw today that the Pirate Party of Sweden finally dropped their absolutely selfdefeating master strategy. It does not show up in their website anymore. Hopefully, they will not swap it for the even worse one of an alliance with the EUDemocrats.


All else I have only seen going backwards, back to nothingness...


And that is a real pity.


Antonio. 

> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:37:23 +0100
> From: kenneth at pirata.cat
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party
> 
> Brains are always missing around you... curious, right?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:43:18 +0000, Antonio Garcia
> <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Brains. Beppe Grillo has got brains ;) .
> > 
> > I was going to say something about a certain master strategy... but I
> > could not find the right spelling on their website (a pleasant surprise
> I
> > was not expecting anymore). Still, a certain Rick Falkvinge must be
> > dreaming about Beppe Grillo's present strategical situation.
> > 
> > Some pirates, like Italian and Dutch ones... apparently lack brains.
> > Before you all have a go at my throat... I find them also sorely missing
> > among my brethren in the Iberian Peninsula.
> > 
> > 
> > Antonio.
> > 
> > From: i at dario.im
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:15:30 +0100
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party
> > 
> > 
> > 2013/2/27  <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl>
> > 
> > 
> > So do I, oh so do I.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Antonio Garcia schreef op 27.02.2013 15:11:
> > 
> > 
> > I could not agree more.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But then, I am eagerly awaiting a Beppe Grillo in the Netherlands
> > 
> > also.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I feel curious. What is the real difference between M5S and PP, the one
> > that makes you desire to have your own Beppe Grillo?
> > 
> > 
> > I don't disagree with making a politician public and accountable in
> front
> > of society because he is part of the public system but I don't think M5S
> is
> > 100% pirate, it just looks alike. Using LQFB or fighting corruption
> doesn't
> > make it pirate. From what I read [0], M5S has a strong (but incomplete)
> > position in economics, mainly interventionist (far away from usual
> > socialdemocracy) and many other things which are "so so" in freedom
> terms.
> > 
> > 
> > I see too some points that are part of Pirate core ideology but I keep
> > thinking that it doesn't make it a pirate-compatible movement.
> > I don't mean that we must be "pure and clean". Their programme isn't
> > particularly better than any of PP-CAT programmes. The main difference
> must
> > be the number of persons participating on its redaction, that's why it
> is a
> > bit broader (although having only 13 pages, which is fine) but also
> > scatterer.
> > 
> > 
> > What I really mean is that they could make it better, more of a
> framework
> > than a random list of specific actions/promises that just sound
> right/good
> > to a lot of people. I must point too that every country is pretty
> different
> > in their political dynamics so I think it is less probable to see these
> > results on other countries.
> > 
> > 
> > [0]
> >
> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/materiali-bg/Programma-Movimento-5-Stelle.pdf
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