[pp.int.general] Transparency in the party

[Zbigniew Łukasiak]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ignorance and stupidity are Daredevils...
>
> ... and intelligence most of the time does not find it rewarding to waltz
> with Mr. Lynch.
>
>
> If you knew how, you would realise where that leads the Pirate Movement.

Can we stick to the subject?  Otherwise we'll not get to any
conclusions.  Let's have just that little discipline and discuss
things in the appropriate thread.  I am all for grand visions and
stuff - but we need at least a little bit of order to get anywhere.

Cheers,
Zbigniew


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> Antonio.
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>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:37:23 +0100
>> From: kenneth at pirata.cat
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party
>>
>> Brains are always missing around you... curious, right?
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>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:43:18 +0000, Antonio Garcia
>> <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Brains. Beppe Grillo has got brains ;) .
>> >
>> > I was going to say something about a certain master strategy... but I
>> > could not find the right spelling on their website (a pleasant surprise
>> I
>> > was not expecting anymore). Still, a certain Rick Falkvinge must be
>> > dreaming about Beppe Grillo's present strategical situation.
>> >
>> > Some pirates, like Italian and Dutch ones... apparently lack brains.
>> > Before you all have a go at my throat... I find them also sorely missing
>> > among my brethren in the Iberian Peninsula.
>> >
>> >
>> > Antonio.
>> >
>> > From: i at dario.im
>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:15:30 +0100
>> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/2/27 <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl>
>> >
>> >
>> > So do I, oh so do I.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Antonio Garcia schreef op 27.02.2013 15:11:
>> >
>> >
>> > I could not agree more.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But then, I am eagerly awaiting a Beppe Grillo in the Netherlands
>> >
>> > also.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I feel curious. What is the real difference between M5S and PP, the one
>> > that makes you desire to have your own Beppe Grillo?
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't disagree with making a politician public and accountable in
>> front
>> > of society because he is part of the public system but I don't think M5S
>> is
>> > 100% pirate, it just looks alike. Using LQFB or fighting corruption
>> doesn't
>> > make it pirate. From what I read [0], M5S has a strong (but incomplete)
>> > position in economics, mainly interventionist (far away from usual
>> > socialdemocracy) and many other things which are "so so" in freedom
>> terms.
>> >
>> >
>> > I see too some points that are part of Pirate core ideology but I keep
>> > thinking that it doesn't make it a pirate-compatible movement.
>> > I don't mean that we must be "pure and clean". Their programme isn't
>> > particularly better than any of PP-CAT programmes. The main difference
>> must
>> > be the number of persons participating on its redaction, that's why it
>> is a
>> > bit broader (although having only 13 pages, which is fine) but also
>> > scatterer.
>> >
>> >
>> > What I really mean is that they could make it better, more of a
>> framework
>> > than a random list of specific actions/promises that just sound
>> right/good
>> > to a lot of people. I must point too that every country is pretty
>> different
>> > in their political dynamics so I think it is less probable to see these
>> > results on other countries.
>> >
>> >
>> > [0]
>> >
>>
>> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/materiali-bg/Programma-Movimento-5-Stelle.pdf
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