[pp.int.general] Partido X - Partido del Futuro vs 5 Star Movement

[Dario]

I just added relevant bits to your mail. And do you take it as an attack?
Are you kidding me? I didn't even mention you or said your idea is good or
bad.

IMHO, if you had a sound plan, you'd have revealed it to all of us to do a
real change today, because it is needed. There is no logic behind holding
back a good idea because you don't like some persons. If pirates can do a
good change and to help society to stop suffering, let's do it now!

Openness is a pirate core. Your plan can benefit of more eyes and brains.
Seriously, you won't be a successful one-man-army and you can't know
everything. Let all pirates to help you. Or are you too proud to do that?

If your plan really exists and it is sound, I ask you to open it or I guess
it is going to become rotten inside your head. You will wait forever to get
your perfect fellowship. And then, you will realize that is too late or you
are too old.

Maybe I'm too young, but I'm enough old to know that your path goes nowhere
if you stubbornly keep your plan to yourself (and maybe a small
cherry-picked group of pirates).


2013/3/4 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>

> Dear Dario,
>
> Plead guilty to whatever you wish. I guess people are getting used to see
> the catalans as attention whores. And you do not make a better saint of
> yourself piling up dirt on anybody else.
>
> Of course there were pirates present at the very beginning of the 15M
> Movement, if you care to remember... one of the reasons it started with
> more or less knowledgeable and committed people with DRY's (Democracia Real
> Ya) call for a manifestation on May 15'th was the fight against
> internet-liberticide Sinde Law. But as you also say... the sect "La
> Comunidad" (The Community) was also there, and in some places Silo's
> followers handle is something they have registered as "El Partido
> Humanista" (The Humanist Party). That fact does neither discard nor
> disqualify for history and future the philosophical current called humanism.
>
> Again, while the Constituent Movement may have surfaced as a
> distinguishable entity or current in 2012... you can hardly imagine any of
> its members remaining absolutely silent before. Someone nicked "Niel"
> pushed a lot of his own views upon the mailing lists of "Takethesquare"
> from the very beginning. He could because he seemed in charge of the
> technical infrastructure.
>
> The minimum consensus that committed activists could reach in the very
> beginning was indeed shattered... as soon as all conceivable interest
> groups and simple unknowing citizens joined and reached majority status to
> put their traditional pet want on the consensus list. And you know how
> logic works... the more items you put on the list... the more consensus
> becomes mathematically impossible... and the more it are not the more
> intelligent but the more populist items that remain on it.
>
> Without a respected logical, ethical or purpose driven authority... the
> swarm soon becomes sterile.
>
> There are many lefts, and guess, they do not like each other. Just
> remember the spectacle of the second voting round in the last Greek
> elections... where the Communist Party shattered all hopes for Syriza to
> come out as a victor. I would have chosen for not even the Greek Pirate
> Party to participate... a public declaration of withdrawal on these grounds
> would have been politically inmensely more beneficial and financially less
> costly than what was finally done.
>
> Humanism is plainly being nice to one another.
>
> And EVERYBODY, no matter how dumb, ignorant or numbed down... can finally
> understand that. Humanism evolves towards world peace, whereas communism
> was a crafted war ideology that got out of control of its creators
> (bourgeois) that had no other alternative but to create the matching
> fascism to merely survive their creation. If we want to have a future, we
> need to dismantle BOTH, and SIMULTANEOUSLY.
>
> I've got a sound plan to achieve just that, and you catalans, buy also
> many youngsters... keep reminding me every day of the fact that we are not
> yet ready for the simple logic of it.
>
> You see, I do care, so it is neither "tell us everything" nor "STFU" as
> you wished me to proceed in one of your earlier messages.
>
> You, catalans, but not allone, are the ones stalling everything.
>
>
> Grow up. All of you.
>
>
> Antonio.
>
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Dario Castañé
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