[pp.int.general] Partido X - Partido del Futuro vs 5 Star Movement

[David Arcos]

Dario, please don't feed the troll.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dario <i at dario.im> wrote:

> I just added relevant bits to your mail. And do you take it as an attack?
> Are you kidding me? I didn't even mention you or said your idea is good or
> bad.
>
> IMHO, if you had a sound plan, you'd have revealed it to all of us to do a
> real change today, because it is needed. There is no logic behind holding
> back a good idea because you don't like some persons. If pirates can do a
> good change and to help society to stop suffering, let's do it now!
>
> Openness is a pirate core. Your plan can benefit of more eyes and brains.
> Seriously, you won't be a successful one-man-army and you can't know
> everything. Let all pirates to help you. Or are you too proud to do that?
>
> If your plan really exists and it is sound, I ask you to open it or I
> guess it is going to become rotten inside your head. You will wait forever
> to get your perfect fellowship. And then, you will realize that is too late
> or you are too old.
>
> Maybe I'm too young, but I'm enough old to know that your path goes
> nowhere if you stubbornly keep your plan to yourself (and maybe a small
> cherry-picked group of pirates).
>
>
> 2013/3/4 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
>
>>  Dear Dario,
>>
>> Plead guilty to whatever you wish. I guess people are getting used to see
>> the catalans as attention whores. And you do not make a better saint of
>> yourself piling up dirt on anybody else.
>>
>> Of course there were pirates present at the very beginning of the 15M
>> Movement, if you care to remember... one of the reasons it started with
>> more or less knowledgeable and committed people with DRY's (Democracia Real
>> Ya) call for a manifestation on May 15'th was the fight against
>> internet-liberticide Sinde Law. But as you also say... the sect "La
>> Comunidad" (The Community) was also there, and in some places Silo's
>> followers handle is something they have registered as "El Partido
>> Humanista" (The Humanist Party). That fact does neither discard nor
>> disqualify for history and future the philosophical current called humanism.
>>
>> Again, while the Constituent Movement may have surfaced as a
>> distinguishable entity or current in 2012... you can hardly imagine any of
>> its members remaining absolutely silent before. Someone nicked "Niel"
>> pushed a lot of his own views upon the mailing lists of "Takethesquare"
>> from the very beginning. He could because he seemed in charge of the
>> technical infrastructure.
>>
>> The minimum consensus that committed activists could reach in the very
>> beginning was indeed shattered... as soon as all conceivable interest
>> groups and simple unknowing citizens joined and reached majority status to
>> put their traditional pet want on the consensus list. And you know how
>> logic works... the more items you put on the list... the more consensus
>> becomes mathematically impossible... and the more it are not the more
>> intelligent but the more populist items that remain on it.
>>
>> Without a respected logical, ethical or purpose driven authority... the
>> swarm soon becomes sterile.
>>
>> There are many lefts, and guess, they do not like each other. Just
>> remember the spectacle of the second voting round in the last Greek
>> elections... where the Communist Party shattered all hopes for Syriza to
>> come out as a victor. I would have chosen for not even the Greek Pirate
>> Party to participate... a public declaration of withdrawal on these grounds
>> would have been politically inmensely more beneficial and financially less
>> costly than what was finally done.
>>
>> Humanism is plainly being nice to one another.
>>
>> And EVERYBODY, no matter how dumb, ignorant or numbed down... can finally
>> understand that. Humanism evolves towards world peace, whereas communism
>> was a crafted war ideology that got out of control of its creators
>> (bourgeois) that had no other alternative but to create the matching
>> fascism to merely survive their creation. If we want to have a future, we
>> need to dismantle BOTH, and SIMULTANEOUSLY.
>>
>> I've got a sound plan to achieve just that, and you catalans, buy also
>> many youngsters... keep reminding me every day of the fact that we are not
>> yet ready for the simple logic of it.
>>
>> You see, I do care, so it is neither "tell us everything" nor "STFU" as
>> you wished me to proceed in one of your earlier messages.
>>
>> You, catalans, but not allone, are the ones stalling everything.
>>
>>
>> Grow up. All of you.
>>
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
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