[pp.int.general] The big silence

[Anouk Neeteson]

This should be discussed within every pirate party. To refer to Samir's
proposal for the PPeu meeting, let every PP make their list and continue as
explained to continue with the existing consensus/agreements and keep
working from these lists and improve where necessary or possible.

my 2cents,
mrNatural


On 10 March 2013 13:18, Thijs Markus <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

> Looks to me like the present board has simply failed and is sitting out
> it's time. I don't see them undertaking anything at any rate.
>
> This is why we need far more flexible structures than a yearly assembly
> electing a board in a poorly informed fashion. Cause this is what you get:
> people who can get put up a good speech roughly one day in the year and let
> it go to shit the rest of the time. And by trusting this inadequately
> selected board with the potential of PPI is rather much like saying: let's
> open a restaurant: who here claims he can cook the loudest? Ok, you guys
> can fuck up the next year! Congrats! kthxbye. Not even going to begin about
> the backtalking people do to claims the top of the dung heap here (you
> bunch of full on retards, maybe we should make sure there is something to
> fight about before we descent to that level).
>
> We need to define activities for the PPI, and have the people who perform
> those activities on a board in so far we need to control someone
> responsible. Work from the bottom up, from the concrete necessities. There
> is not even an organisation which needs a board at this point. Lets start
> with that organisation. Better late then never. From guidelines, best
> practices, technical tools & their use, global and continental issues of
> which insight can be shared, and alerts be passed on, there is so much PPI
> could be harnessing and share around for the good of it's constituents.
> When someone drops in the PPI chat on IRC looking for help, we are simply
> relaying them to active people in the various national parties, cause well,
> that's the only place where they'll get any help. Though I have to grant
> PPI that they set up an IRC channel. If we're going to trust a bunch of
> suits again I can tell you that this year too we'll be fucked.
>
> We need not select a bunch of suits once per year, we need to relay
> responsibilities to whomever is actually doing things, and whether that
> person changes every other week or is the same guy for years should be of
> little consequence. We need to harness the people actually doing things,
> and keep them in a position where they can actually do things. It does not
> get more basic than that, and the fix for the majority of the problems in
> PPI is not harder than that. So what do you guys say? Time for a change?
>
> Antonio Garcia schreef op 10.03.2013 12:41:
>
>  There is only ONE Pirate BEST way... full disclosure... full healing.
>>
>> Who wants anything else and dares call himself a Pirate?
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>>  Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:00:06 +0100
>>> From: alv at dyne.org
>>> To: pp.international.general@**lists.pirateweb.net<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] The big silence
>>>
>>> On 2013-03-10 10:37, Antonio Garcia wrote:
>>> > O course.
>>> >
>>> > And I wholeheartedly applaud the australian message.
>>> >
>>> > I know that our australian brethren were not to blame for the
>>> > tremendous mess some made of the PPI GA in Prague.
>>> >
>>> > They did NOT present any motion, like the supposed one that asked
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> > an illegal vote on the full membership of the Catalan Pirate Party
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> > PPI.
>>> >
>>> > They are not being held responsible for the breach of Statutes of
>>> > PPI,
>>> > neither for the fraud occurring in the PPI CoA, nor the abuse of
>>> > position by the board of PPI.
>>> >
>>> > But PPI is going to fall apart in Kazan if all the pending issues
>>>
>> are
>>
>>> > not properly addressed.
>>> >
>>> > I am eagerly awaiting agenda points and tracking deadlines.
>>> >
>>> > Antonio.
>>>
>>> Surely there is the need to change it in a better way.
>>>
>>> Alv.
>>>
>>> > -------------------------
>>> > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:02:36 +0100
>>> > From: jakobsheep at gmail.com
>>> > To: pp.international.general@**lists.pirateweb.net<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>> > Subject: [pp.int.general] The big silence
>>> >
>>> > Hi pirates, pragmatism is like kapitalism and has no ethics by
>>> > itself.
>>> > When will the pirates collectively understand that everybodies
>>> > individual ethical system is NOT the same as a shared system of
>>> > ethics
>>> > ?
>>> > Please grow up.
>>> >
>>> > And I aplaude this Australien message. +1
>>> > pirately,
>>> > mrNatural
>>> >
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