[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia
Enrique Herrera Noya
quiquetux at gmail.com
Mon Mar 11 01:02:18 CET 2013
This we understood right
Enrique Herrera Noya
"Almirantux" (Coordinator and spokesman ;-) )
Partido Pirata de Chile
On 10/03/13 19:06, Simon Frew wrote:
> We sent the letter to the PPI Board.
>
> They didn't acknowledge it or discuss it in a Board meeting. As it was
> ignored completely, sending it to the list was the only way we could
> make sure we got heard.
>
> It was based on a motion passed at our last National Congress. I had to
> make sure we got heard or I would be failing my own Party.
>
> Had the Board formally responded the mail would not have had to be
> posted. Silence would have allowed the terrible state of affairs to
> continue and it is too late to allow this to continue for another year.
>
> Regards
> Simon Frew
> Pirate Party Australia
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Enrique Herrera Noya
> <quiquetux at gmail.com <mailto:quiquetux at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 at the back of the idea
> -1 in the form a follow
>
> the list is not the party (international)
> the list is not the assembly
>
> is only OUR communication channel ...
>
> in Chile have the same problem as in Australia, the distance
> and tools that we are implementing for the assemblies are similar ...
>
> which is the work program we have given as parties?
> that will be the theme that we emphasize this year?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/03/13 01:13, Simon Frew wrote:
> > Below is an official mail sent to the Board of PPI.
> >
> > We have yet to receive any sort of acknowledgement that it was
> received
> > or discussed by the Board. So in the interests of transparency I
> thought
> > the best course of action was to post it to the general discussion
> list
> > as the formal means of communication seem to be failing.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > I am writing on behalf of Pirate Party Australia to lodge a formal
> > protest concerning the conduct of the previous two Pirate Party
> > International General Assemblies and the malaise it has caused within
> > ourorganisation.
> >
> > The problem is exacerbated by the lack of response to the
> resignation of
> > the Court of Arbitration. The CoA should be working to address the
> root
> > causes of the in-fighting that is a feature of the PPI discussion
> lists
> > over the last months and could provide added insight into these feuds
> > and to help bring them to a resolution.
> >
> > The threat to sue the CoA illustrates problems within PPI. The
> > Constitution is being routinely ignored. The threat itself
> demonstrates
> > a lack of respect for the rules governing the International. How
> can an
> > organisation function when a body elected to apply the constitution is
> > threatened with Lawyers when they make a decision a member Party
> doesn't
> > like?
> >
> > The Constitution states that only one member be allowed from each
> > country, yet we have two parties from Spain. From a historical
> > perspective this is an understandable decision, so it raises the
> need to
> > address this in the Constitution as the decision itself is
> unconstitutional.
> >
> > The above examples show a disregard for the statutesand decision
> making
> > processes agreed upon at the first GA. It is perfectly fine to
> radically
> > change the statutesif the current model is not working, it is not fine
> > to ignore it when its inconvenient. This sort of disregard of due
> > process is the sort of thing that enables corruption to flourish.
> >
> > The issues that remote delegates experienced at the last General
> > Assembly were hard to stomach because it was largely a re-run of the
> > problems of the year before. Remote delegates were ignored, much
> of the
> > meeting got bogged down in process and important resolutions were
> tabled
> > for a whole year so celebrity speakers could address the meeting. The
> > organisation is not yet fully formed and getting through motions with
> > ample participation and debate should be the first and overriding
> > priority. Everything else is just dressing which can come later.
> >
> > Addressing these issues is not a matter of holding a PPI congress
> > outside of Europe, but actually facilitating better participation by
> > remote delegates. Personally,I think the motivation for the GA to be
> > held outside of Europe was to make Europeans take remote participation
> > seriously by creating a much greater need for it to function. The cost
> > of sending delegates from Australia would run into the multiple
> > thousands of dollars and is not economically feasible,withthis money
> > beingmuch better spent on campaigns. This is not a cost we
> > /must/incur;remote participation has a negligible cost and will
> help out
> > every single Party unable to attend.
> >
> > PPAU holds our annual congresses with a large amount of participation
> > online. Being roughly the size of the EU but much more sparsely
> > populated, we had to get online participation right immediately or we
> > risked disenfranchising pretty much everyone not from Sydney or the
> > surrounding areas. Consequently,we'd like to offer the following
> advice
> > for facilitating better participation in the next PPI GA based on our
> > success at facilitating online participation.
> >
> > The single most important thing is to integrate online participation
> > into the GA. Assigning one person to monitor IRC is not adequate.
> Every
> > single delegate attending, where they are technically able, should log
> > into IRC and all participate, monitor and share the discussion
> raised by
> > the remote delegates to the real-world meeting.
> >
> > On the technical side it is just a matter of maintaining the streams,
> > which need to be easily accessible by people with a low technical
> > proficiency.For example our congress utilises a cheap & simple
> > audio/video stream combined with web based IRC client in one
> simple web
> > portal.If possible,a projector showing the discussion on a screen for
> > all to see would also work well. If there is an issue with people who
> > are not members participating in votes, a password protected link
> for a
> > specific official channel can be sent to delegates before the GA. Time
> > should be left at the end of each item for lag, people still
> typing etc.
> > You can get a sense of the amount of lag by the delay in the online
> > comments and wait accordingly.
> >
> > We expect better of Pirate PartiesInternational. An umbrella
> > organisation for the world's Pirate Parties needs to embody Pirate
> > principles. We expect the organisation to be participatory, not
> > exclusionary. We expect democracy, transparency and
> accountability, all
> > of which seem to be currently lacking.
> >
> > If this year's GA is not serious about fixing the above problems,
> > theNational Council of PPAU will have no choice but to propose
> > withdrawing from the organisation at our next National Congress.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Simon Frew
> >
> > On behalf of Pirate Party Australia
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
>
>
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