[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

[David Arcos]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM, José Manuel Goig
<hosemanuelgoc at gmail.com>wrote:

> There is a great difference between PP-CAT and PP-ES. PP-CAT can only act
> in the territory of Catalonia but PP-ES can act in all of the territory of
> Spain, including Catalonia. So, in Catalonia both parties could stand for
> election at the same time competing for the same electorate. This is so
> because Catalonia is right now a part of Spain. Whenever Catalonia chooses
> to be a "sovereign state", all this will change and there will be no
> problem.


I'm sorry, but that's B.S. You either have no clue about the Spanish
electoral law, or are trying to intoxicate.

I feel forced to quote some sources (duty calls! <http://xkcd.com/386/>)


- Fact 1: in Spain, all the elections have a *regional
circunscription*("provincia"), except for the European elections,
where the circunscription
is all Spain.

Source:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Circunscripciones#Espa.C3.B1a

> España posee *52 circunscripciones* para la elección de diputados de su
> cámara baja: 50 provinciales y 2 pertenecientes a las ciudades de Ceuta y a
> Melilla.
> > En las elecciones al *Parlamento Europeo* España tiene *una única
> circunscripción nacional*.



- Fact 2: in Spain, the only requirement are (a) providing *full lists* and
(b) *gathering signatures* ("avales"). Any party (even regional parties)
can run in all the country (or other regions), provided they have the
signatures.

Source:
http://www.portalelectoral.es/content/view/1008/122/

> (...) para poder presentar una *candidatura a las elecciones* al Congreso
> de los Diputados y al Senado, necesitan la firma, al menos, del* 0,1 por
> ciento de los electores* inscritos en el censo electoral de la
> circunscripción por la que pretendan su elección.
> > En el caso de las elecciones al *Parlamento Europeo*, el artículo 220.3
> de la LOREG exige para la presentación de candidaturas, como requisito
> común para partidos, federaciones, coaliciones electorales y agrupaciones
> de electores, la acreditación de las* firmas de 15.000 electores*.



So, legally speaking, PP-CAT:
- could run for the elections outside Catalan circunscriptions
- could even run for the full Spain circunscription in the European
Elections.
In practice, PP-CAT:
- could provide lists easily, as it has run in all the elections (4) since
its creation (2 years ago).
- getting 15k signatures could be a challenge, but in the past elections we
got >11k in half the time in just Catalonia (20% of Spain), so it's a
reasonable assumption..


Legally speaking, PP-ES could also run for all the elections.
But in practice, it has never been able to do so: didn't have enough people
to make the lists, didn't have enough signatures. (The only exceptions have
been some brave local groups that could provide lists and signatures,
without any kind of help from PP-ES board)
With >1k members, PP-ES could barely gather 1k signatures for the last
European elections. Right now, with <100 members, do you really believe it
would be able to gather 15k?


Unfortunately, PP-ES is dead. it was killed by a few trolls who got a bit
of power power, then managed to kick a lot of members, then climbed into
higher positions, then caused a bigger exodus of members...
The internal problems in PP-ES have nothing to do with nationalisms, but
with a pyramidal hierarchy, and the wrong people in the wrong positions.


Finally, there it's never been a nationalism issue. Check the Spanish map,
and the pirate parties on it: http://confederacionpirata.org
All the Spanish pirate parties in the  'Confederación Pirata' are working
together on campaings, and are ok with sharing a single vote in PPI.

All the nationalist/anti-catalanist<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catalanism>
conspiranoia is
a ridiculous attempt to divert attemption from the important issue.



My 2 cents...
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