[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

[Francisco George]

Biases all of this is a bias conversation

Jus for those that are interested by biases(sesgos) should Google Translate
this article by University of Balearic islands professor Ricardo Galli who
created Meneame a very popular Spanish site where David is or used to be
admin.

http://gallir.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/favorecer-el-disenso/

No one here is capable to avoid biases, I do try my best no to be biased
but it is very hard as it is deeply implemented in human behaviour.
but I think everyone should at least give it a try...

Francisco George
One of the supposed 4 trolls of PP-ES


2013/3/12 David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com>

> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM, José Manuel Goig <hosemanuelgoc at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> There is a great difference between PP-CAT and PP-ES. PP-CAT can only act
>> in the territory of Catalonia but PP-ES can act in all of the territory of
>> Spain, including Catalonia. So, in Catalonia both parties could stand for
>> election at the same time competing for the same electorate. This is so
>> because Catalonia is right now a part of Spain. Whenever Catalonia chooses
>> to be a "sovereign state", all this will change and there will be no
>> problem.
>
>
> I'm sorry, but that's B.S. You either have no clue about the Spanish
> electoral law, or are trying to intoxicate.
>
> I feel forced to quote some sources (duty calls! <http://xkcd.com/386/>)
>
>
> - Fact 1: in Spain, all the elections have a *regional circunscription*("provincia"), except for the European elections, where the circunscription
> is all Spain.
>
> Source:
> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Circunscripciones#Espa.C3.B1a
>
> > España posee *52 circunscripciones* para la elección de diputados de su
>> cámara baja: 50 provinciales y 2 pertenecientes a las ciudades de Ceuta y a
>> Melilla.
>> > En las elecciones al *Parlamento Europeo* España tiene *una única
>> circunscripción nacional*.
>
>
>
> - Fact 2: in Spain, the only requirement are (a) providing *full lists*and (b)
> *gathering signatures* ("avales"). Any party (even regional parties) can
> run in all the country (or other regions), provided they have the
> signatures.
>
> Source:
> http://www.portalelectoral.es/content/view/1008/122/
>
> > (...) para poder presentar una *candidatura a las elecciones* al
>> Congreso de los Diputados y al Senado, necesitan la firma, al menos, del*0,1 por ciento de los electores
>> * inscritos en el censo electoral de la circunscripción por la que
>> pretendan su elección.
>> > En el caso de las elecciones al *Parlamento Europeo*, el artículo
>> 220.3 de la LOREG exige para la presentación de candidaturas, como
>> requisito común para partidos, federaciones, coaliciones electorales y
>> agrupaciones de electores, la acreditación de las* firmas de 15.000
>> electores*.
>
>
>
> So, legally speaking, PP-CAT:
> - could run for the elections outside Catalan circunscriptions
> - could even run for the full Spain circunscription in the European
> Elections.
> In practice, PP-CAT:
> - could provide lists easily, as it has run in all the elections (4) since
> its creation (2 years ago).
> - getting 15k signatures could be a challenge, but in the past elections
> we got >11k in half the time in just Catalonia (20% of Spain), so it's a
> reasonable assumption..
>
>
> Legally speaking, PP-ES could also run for all the elections.
> But in practice, it has never been able to do so: didn't have enough
> people to make the lists, didn't have enough signatures. (The only
> exceptions have been some brave local groups that could provide lists and
> signatures, without any kind of help from PP-ES board)
> With >1k members, PP-ES could barely gather 1k signatures for the last
> European elections. Right now, with <100 members, do you really believe it
> would be able to gather 15k?
>
>
> Unfortunately, PP-ES is dead. it was killed by a few trolls who got a bit
> of power power, then managed to kick a lot of members, then climbed into
> higher positions, then caused a bigger exodus of members...
> The internal problems in PP-ES have nothing to do with nationalisms, but
> with a pyramidal hierarchy, and the wrong people in the wrong positions.
>
>
> Finally, there it's never been a nationalism issue. Check the Spanish map,
> and the pirate parties on it: http://confederacionpirata.org
> All the Spanish pirate parties in the  'Confederación Pirata' are working
> together on campaings, and are ok with sharing a single vote in PPI.
>
> All the nationalist/anti-catalanist<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catalanism> conspiranoia is
> a ridiculous attempt to divert attemption from the important issue.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents...
>
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