[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

[Antonio Garcia]

Please, care to justify to all those, mainly germans, who put all faith in you as a way to solve the Spanish conflict, and rolled out the red carpet in PPI and PP-EU...

... why you failed them so miserably in the last regional elections, not being able to perform minimally, even with >1.000 members, even in the highly concentrated and urban area of Barcelona.

A Barcelona that projects herself as cosmopolitan and geek-minded as Berlin, where the German Pirate Party started to perform extremely well recently, even if they have lost north these last months.

You do care, or do you have only vaporware on offer?


Antonio.

From: david.arcos at gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:32:30 +0100
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM, José Manuel Goig <hosemanuelgoc at gmail.com> wrote:


There is a great difference between PP-CAT and PP-ES. PP-CAT can only act in the territory of Catalonia but PP-ES can act in all of the territory of Spain, including Catalonia. So, in Catalonia both parties could stand for election at the same time competing for the same electorate. This is so because Catalonia is right now a part of Spain. Whenever Catalonia chooses to be a "sovereign state", all this will change and there will be no problem.


I'm sorry, but that's B.S. You either have no clue about the Spanish electoral law, or are trying to intoxicate.


I feel forced to quote some sources (duty calls!)


- Fact 1: in Spain, all the elections have a regional circunscription ("provincia"), except for the European elections, where the circunscription is all Spain.


Source:http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Circunscripciones#Espa.C3.B1a





> España posee 52 circunscripciones para la elección de diputados de su cámara baja: 50 provinciales y 2 pertenecientes a las ciudades de Ceuta y a Melilla.


> En las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo España tiene una única circunscripción nacional.



- Fact 2: in Spain, the only requirement are (a) providing full lists and (b) gathering signatures ("avales"). Any party (even regional parties) can run in all the country (or other regions), provided they have the signatures.


Source:http://www.portalelectoral.es/content/view/1008/122/





> (...) para poder presentar una candidatura a las elecciones al Congreso de los Diputados y al Senado, necesitan la firma, al menos, del 0,1 por ciento de los electores inscritos en el censo electoral de la circunscripción por la que pretendan su elección.


> En el caso de las elecciones al Parlamento Europeo, el artículo 220.3 de la LOREG exige para la presentación de candidaturas, como requisito común para partidos, federaciones, coaliciones electorales y agrupaciones de electores, la acreditación de las firmas de 15.000 electores.



So, legally speaking, PP-CAT:- could run for the elections outside Catalan circunscriptions

- could even run for the full Spain circunscription in the European Elections.In practice, PP-CAT:- could provide lists easily, as it has run in all the elections (4) since its creation (2 years ago).

- getting 15k signatures could be a challenge, but in the past elections we got >11k in half the time in just Catalonia (20% of Spain), so it's a reasonable assumption..



Legally speaking, PP-ES could also run for all the elections.But in practice, it has never been able to do so: didn't have enough people to make the lists, didn't have enough signatures. (The only exceptions have been some brave local groups that could provide lists and signatures, without any kind of help from PP-ES board)

With >1k members, PP-ES could barely gather 1k signatures for the last European elections. Right now, with <100 members, do you really believe it would be able to gather 15k?



Unfortunately, PP-ES is dead. it was killed by a few trolls who got a bit of power power, then managed to kick a lot of members, then climbed into higher positions, then caused a bigger exodus of members...

The internal problems in PP-ES have nothing to do with nationalisms, but with a pyramidal hierarchy, and the wrong people in the wrong positions.



Finally, there it's never been a nationalism issue. Check the Spanish map, and the pirate parties on it: http://confederacionpirata.org

All the Spanish pirate parties in the  'Confederación Pirata' are working together on campaings, and are ok with sharing a single vote in PPI.


All the nationalist/anti-catalanist conspiranoia is a ridiculous attempt to divert attemption from the important issue.




My 2 cents...

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