[pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo

[Muriel]

Dear Josef,

I was talking about people participating in the selection commitee and
not the logo designers themselves. However, I think that's a brilliant
idea. We just have to propose it to the parties to see if they agree
and then add that as the prize.

I will talk to the people organising it to see how it can be added
into the rules.  :)

Thanks!

       Muriel


2013/11/8 Josef Ohlsson Collentine <international at piratpartiet.se>:
> Payment is not always monetary. If coordinated a bit we could promise
> massive exposure to whoever wins the logo competition through Facebook fan
> page mentions and website links from fairly high-ranking sites.
>
> The final result of the European logo is relevant for all countries
> participating in European Pirates and jointly they could easily send a fair
> amount of exposure to a winners other projects.
>
> Kindly,
> Josef
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM,
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>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:47 +0100
>> From: Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo
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>> "Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each
>> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,
>> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."
>>
>>
>> I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard to
>> enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad
>> reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and second
>> because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new  members.
>>
>> If you have any advice how to overcome  this, please do not hesitate to
>> share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of problem.
>>
>> Brgds
>>
>> JJ
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva
>> <muriel at pirata.cat>wrote:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference, agreed
>> > on the convenience of designating a committee of professional
>> > creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and
>> > corporate identity of the European Pirates.
>> >
>> > The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd of
>> > November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:
>> >
>> > * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their
>> > proposals.
>> >
>> > * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the
>> > selection process, or also in the following link:
>> > https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108
>> >
>> > Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,
>> > submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not
>> > qualify.
>> >
>> > * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest
>> > improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and will
>> > pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical
>> > requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the
>> > European Pirates values.
>> >
>> > * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,
>> > the parties will have time until March to internally decide their
>> > vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we
>> > know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to
>> > have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.
>> >
>> >
>> > Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> > creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> > committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each
>> > party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> > find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,
>> > media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> > committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).
>> >
>> > Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot
>> > submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,
>> > maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal.   :)
>> >
>> > You can contact the organisers team at:
>> > pirates-logo at pirata.cat
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Juan Irache
>> > Coordinator of the Organising Team
>> >
>> > _________________________________
>> >
>> > REGULATION
>> >
>> > The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and
>> > call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate
>> > identity selection process.
>> >
>> > Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any nationality.
>> >
>> > * Requirements:
>> >
>> > Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the
>> > usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe
>> > must also be
>> > present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible. That
>> > is: not limited to the stars or a map.
>> >
>> > Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the
>> > adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations
>> > (European
>> > Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).
>> >
>> > It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.
>> >
>> > Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the
>> > submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.
>> >
>> > Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be
>> > explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present a
>> > colour version and a black and white one, both including negative
>> > options. If necessary, a
>> > complementary version for small-support situations will also be
>> > included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples of
>> > correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.
>> >
>> > The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in
>> > physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).
>> >
>> > Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,
>> > without financial costs or need for attribution.
>> >
>> > Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process
>> > are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate
>> > identity manual.
>> >
>> > Designers have to submit their proposals to pirates-logo at pirata.cat.
>> >
>> > * Selection:
>> >
>> > A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5 logos
>> > (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are
>> > creatively interesting and better represent the values of the European
>> > Pirates.
>> >
>> > The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own
>> > proposals.
>> >
>> > The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess the
>> > pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their
>> > votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding
>> > Conference in Brussels (March 2014).
>> >
>> > * Deadlines:
>> >
>> > The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly
>> > recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the
>> > creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare
>> > recommendations so that participating designers can improve their
>> > proposals before the deadline.
>> >
>> > * Legal:
>> >
>> > By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial
>> > compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,
>> > direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to
>> > European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode
>> > and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also
>> > state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any
>> > pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.
>> >
>> > The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no
>> > reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of
>> > Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of
>> > the process.
>> >
>> > The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection
>> > process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents the
>> > purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and
>> > external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the
>> > right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation
>> > and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided in
>> > the present regulation.
>> >
>> > Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of the
>> > present regulation.
>> > ____________________________________________________
>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:10:36 +0100
>>
>> From: Muriel Rovira Esteva <muriel at pirata.cat>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Pirates' logo
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>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Well, in Pirates de Catalunya we organised an ad video festival to select
>> our campaign video (  http://fap.pirata.cat/  ) and there was a mixed jury
>> composed by Amelia, two members of pirate party boards, a movie critic,
>> two
>> movie directors, and a famous copyright lawyer (
>> http://fap.pirata.cat/jurado/  ). As far as I know, none of the last four
>> members of the jury had anything to do with any pirate party.
>>
>> I don't see why this would be different. You can be involved in a
>> selection
>> process without being part of that orgnisation. This is just a technical
>> decision on what design and corporate image better conveys the goals of
>> the
>> organisation, it does not mean that you endorse the European Pirates or
>> agree with it.
>>
>> The difference in this case is that, instead of a mixed jury, we have a
>> two
>> stage process: the technical commission and then the assemblies. This way
>> all pirates can participate choosing the logo, and not just three.   :)
>>
>> Personally, the main problem I see is finding people who would be willing
>> to do this for free. I can see someone who might find interesting to add
>> in
>> his/her CV that they were asked to participate in the selection comittee
>> bla bla bla... I have done things for free sometimes to add them to my CV.
>> Or maybe someone would do it as a favour, just because we know them and
>> ask
>> them to do it. For the ad video festival in Pirates de Catalunya, this was
>> arranged by Juan, the organiser, who used his personal contacts within his
>> profession and asked them to help us. That's why I assume in this case it
>> will be people we know as well.  :)
>>
>> However, I don't think the fact that the logo is for a party should be a
>> problem for professionals not affiliated to the party to help us choose
>> it.
>>   :)
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>           Muriel
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/8 Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
>>
>> > "Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> > creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> > committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each
>> > party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> > find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,
>> > media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> > committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."
>> >
>> >
>> > I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard to
>> > enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad
>> > reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and
>> > second
>> > because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new
>> > members.
>> >
>> > If you have any advice how to overcome  this, please do not hesitate to
>> > share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of problem.
>> >
>> > Brgds
>> >
>> > JJ
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva
>> > <muriel at pirata.cat>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference, agreed
>> >> on the convenience of designating a committee of professional
>> >> creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and
>> >> corporate identity of the European Pirates.
>> >>
>> >> The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd of
>> >> November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:
>> >>
>> >> * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their
>> >> proposals.
>> >>
>> >> * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the
>> >> selection process, or also in the following link:
>> >> https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108
>> >>
>> >> Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,
>> >> submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not
>> >> qualify.
>> >>
>> >> * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest
>> >> improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and will
>> >> pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical
>> >> requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the
>> >> European Pirates values.
>> >>
>> >> * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,
>> >> the parties will have time until March to internally decide their
>> >> vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we
>> >> know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to
>> >> have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for
>> >> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative
>> >> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each
>> >> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to
>> >> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,
>> >> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection
>> >> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).
>> >>
>> >> Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot
>> >> submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,
>> >> maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal.   :)
>> >>
>> >> You can contact the organisers team at:
>> >> pirates-logo at pirata.cat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Juan Irache
>> >> Coordinator of the Organising Team
>> >>
>> >> _________________________________
>> >>
>> >> REGULATION
>> >>
>> >> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and
>> >> call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate
>> >> identity selection process.
>> >>
>> >> Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any
>> >> nationality.
>> >>
>> >> * Requirements:
>> >>
>> >> Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the
>> >> usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe
>> >> must also be
>> >> present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible. That
>> >> is: not limited to the stars or a map.
>> >>
>> >> Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the
>> >> adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations
>> >> (European
>> >> Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).
>> >>
>> >> It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.
>> >>
>> >> Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the
>> >> submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.
>> >>
>> >> Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be
>> >> explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present a
>> >> colour version and a black and white one, both including negative
>> >> options. If necessary, a
>> >> complementary version for small-support situations will also be
>> >> included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples of
>> >> correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.
>> >>
>> >> The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in
>> >> physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).
>> >>
>> >> Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,
>> >> without financial costs or need for attribution.
>> >>
>> >> Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process
>> >> are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate
>> >> identity manual.
>> >>
>> >> Designers have to submit their proposals to pirates-logo at pirata.cat.
>> >>
>> >> * Selection:
>> >>
>> >> A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5 logos
>> >> (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are
>> >> creatively interesting and better represent the values of the European
>> >> Pirates.
>> >>
>> >> The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own
>> >> proposals.
>> >>
>> >> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess the
>> >> pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their
>> >> votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding
>> >> Conference in Brussels (March 2014).
>> >>
>> >> * Deadlines:
>> >>
>> >> The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly
>> >> recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the
>> >> creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare
>> >> recommendations so that participating designers can improve their
>> >> proposals before the deadline.
>> >>
>> >> * Legal:
>> >>
>> >> By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial
>> >> compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,
>> >> direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to
>> >> European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode
>> >> and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also
>> >> state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any
>> >> pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.
>> >>
>> >> The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no
>> >> reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of
>> >> Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of
>> >> the process.
>> >>
>> >> The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection
>> >> process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents the
>> >> purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and
>> >> external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the
>> >> right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation
>> >> and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided in
>> >> the present regulation.
>> >>
>> >> Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of the
>> >> present regulation.
>> >> ____________________________________________________
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > email:  jelena.jovanovic at pp-international.net
>> > Twitter: @Miss_Cybernaut
>> > Skype: [image: Skype/] jjpress  About me:  about.me/cybernaut
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ____________________________________________________
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>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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