[pp.int.general] germany election

[Dario]

Please, keep up the constructive conversation. No individual person (nor
chimneys, chimneys are inanimated) stopped your grow, there were biggest
reasons for not getting higher percentage.

I'm for the positive vision already stated. The first vote matched the
second one. People is voting you as individuals, not only as a party.

Also, 2,2% means you are close to the minimum percentage for European
Elections. We (all pirates) must learn from your mistakes (and what you did
well).

About the semantics of programme, I always like to use it stating that our
programme is an example of what our "limited" proposals can achieve, not
what we promise. People like this approach when you told them.



2013/9/24 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>

> This "infiltrated troll" did a very good and big campaign trying to give
> back the big burning chimney pipe he got up the ass at the PPI General
> Assembly in Kazan/Brussels back in April :) .
>
> Twitter account currently on holidays after a kamikaze mission to draw
> attention to the lack of honour of mostly our German brethren, but ALSO all
> of you.
>
> The list of german journalists and newspapers is enormous :) .
>
>
> Currently, pirates do not have the power and guts to be viable without
> honour.
>
> Think about it next time you shove (or let shove) a chimney pipe up some
> brethrens ass :(((.
>
> And please undo the injustice... or it will stay as promotional material
> for next electoral challenges.
>
>
> https://samedokan.wordpress.com/
>
>
> My most sincere congratulations to Gregory Engels, Thomas Gaul, Patrick
> Schiffer, Markus Barenhoff and all the members of German BuVo and LaVos,
> and regional parlamentarians that gave forgetting honesty a try. You made
> it... NOT :))
>
> Compliments to all others who choose to look the other way while those did
> their pirates unworthy filthy job.
>
> It has been a pleasure to give back the chimney pipe to you all. Enjoy it
> the way I did :).
>
>
>
> Antonio García
> Still member of the board of the Spanish Pirate Party
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: francisco.george at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:43:25 +0200
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
>
> I somehow agree with Cal. due to the pressure of the press and some
> infiltrated trolls we always seems compelled to offer a solution for each
> matter.
>
> First we shall stop using the word *"program" *that is a traditional
> politic vocabulary. But use PROPOSALS instead.because it is just what we do
> PROPOSE to the citizens solutions to problems and then they shall decide.
>
> PPDE has done well precisely in local elections because you have
> restricted problems to solve in local elections and our proposals are
> reduced.
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com>
>
> On 24 September 2013 00:07, peter.boehm
> <peter.boehm at bremen.piratenpartei.de> wrote:
> > what i personaly miss are some of the old 'core'-issues, back then the
> > pirate party germany was foundet to
> > -reform copyright and patents rights
> > -enhance privacy for citizen
> > -make the government more transparent
>
> That's a big sob.
>
> I don't know why people are convinced you need a program on "just
> about everything" to be called "party"
>
> I don't like that, I don't understand that. Is it some kind of legend?
>
> (It somewhat leads to forgetting why a "pirate" party is not "yet
> another" party.)
>
> Crying on ourselves isn't going to solve any problem, just like hiding
> them under kind words. We need to dissect the situation to understand
> it, and I don't see efforts going that way: why does someone choose to
> vote for a pirate party, because of "a program"?
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Dario Castañé
Pirates de Catalunya http://pirata.cat
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