[pp.int.general] germany election

Tue Sep 24 17:25:55 CEST 2013

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2,2% is bad because we actually losed votes if you don't count the
people who voted first time.
For the voters under 18 the votes are spred fairly evenly among many
parties, PP got more then 12%.
http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/
There is big difference between voting districts in the lowest level,
though.
Where I was the candidate (more or less just to have one) we scored 17%
http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/
But at the same time I (and the PP) in my voting district had one of
the lowest "real" votes (1,7% for Pirates).

If you take that as mesurement we are not better then 2009, we are
worse (in Sachsen-Anhalt state even directly compared)

LennStar

Am 24.09.2013 10:29, schrieb Paul Berettoni (cmal):
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I think on the contrary that 2.2% is far from being a bad result.
> This shows that despite the lack of media attention and all the
> internal conflits you had to face, you still achieved some progress
> since 2009.
> 
> It is true that in between, the Piratenpartei has won many seats
> in regional parliements and has been polled as third biggest party
> of Germany. But don't you think that was really artificial ?
> 
> The Pirates have caught a lot of media attention and were at the
> time rather undefined ? yet different from others, which led them
> to gathering support from many contesters who didn't share many
> ideas and values with us.
> 
> This situation is still happening in France? with our fascist
> party ?¹? which gathers more than 20% of the votes at every
> election. But many of their voters do not support their
> anti-humanist policies and as soon as they find a good alternative
> (the Pirates ?) highlighted by the media they will probably stop
> voting for them.
> 
> Then came Alternative für Deutschland, which probably took many
> Pirate voters on the dark side of politics : xenophobia,
> euroscepticism, etc? Their 5% didn't come out of nowhere and I am
> very sure many of their supporters are just basic contesters who at
> some point in history supported the Pirate Party.
> 
> Still, I would like to point out a very interesting fact : the
> Pirate Party in Germany is the only progressive party to have
> actually progressed in the results since the last elections,
> gathering 0.2% more than last time. In comparison, the Greens and
> the Left lost each about 3%.
> 
> Do you still think the situation is that bad ? 2.2% is already
> quite a lot, and if I could make it so 2.2% of the french
> population actually promotes and practices Freedom, Democracy and
> Sharing, I would probably ? although I would never stop working on
> it and acknoledge it ? consider my political mission to be
> accomplished.
> 
> Because 2.2% is a very strong critical mass, enough to change the 
> world by other means than elections.
> 
> I am sorry I have no time to go deeper on the topic ; I am
> expected somewhere else. In case any of you speak French or would
> like to use a well known translation tool, here is the article we
> french Pirates are about to publish regarding the german elections
> : http://www.partipirate.org/spip.php?article391&var_mode=preview
> 
> So congratulations to all those who everyday contribute to the
> Pirate movement or to changing the world in any other way. Keep
> going and don't get influenced by numbers.
> 
> Freely, Paul Berettoni (cmal)
> 
> ?¹? National socialism based on strong state and anti-human rights 
> law, following one "charismatic" leader (Marine Le Pen) would be
> what I call a fascist party although it might not fit the academic
> definition.
> 
> On 09/24/2013 12:07 AM, peter.boehm wrote:
>> hi,
> 
>> just my two cents.
> 
>> cent one:
> 
>> we had federal elections here in germany yesterday, and recieved 
>> 'only' 2.2 percent. that was more than last time, back in 2009.
> 
>> last elections were quite chaotic, this one was far better 
>> organised, but we still failed.
> 
>> we had a wide program concerning many topics, but the program
>> was set in spring. this brought no attention from the media in
>> the last weeks. we had some successes in last years, entering
>> some states parliaments, and the pirates there are doing good
>> work - but this was no issue in media, because shortly after the
>> rise in polls there came some quarrels. personal issues,
>> differences in opinions, also some histories from some pirates
>> who held elected positions came up in the media.
> 
>> in the last month we release many statements concerning the
>> global spying from the us secret agencies, but this topic was to 
>> complicated for most journalists and politicians. our beloved 
>> chancelor merkel ignored it, following in the steps of helmut
>> kohl by doing nothing and keeping calm.
> 
>> the other opposition parties made a show, the head of the 
>> socialdemocrats showed a f..kfinger, one head of the greenparty
>> hat some historic issue. then there is a new populistic 
>> anti-EURO-party, which took some media attention very easy.
> 
>> so.. we did our best, but the mainstream did not notice. we have
>> a stable base of supporter through the whole society, but we
>> will stay out of the federal parliament for at least the next
>> four years.
> 
>> this was the one cent, the other cent i'd like to mention:
> 
>> the german pirates tried to build a complete program covering
>> all issues and problems. the program is really good, not biased
>> by interest groups, but it is not perfect. what i personaly miss
>> are some of the old 'core'-issues, back then the pirate party
>> germany was foundet to -reform copyright and patents rights
>> -enhance privacy for citizen -make the government more
>> transparent
> 
>> the german pirates - today - have no agenda concerning patent 
>> rights, this is a to complicated topic to talk about. and 
>> transparency of governments is far away, now as the secret 
>> agencies have a carde blanche to do what they want.
> 
>> my best wishes go to pirate party austria (election on saturday),
>>  greetings, peter 
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