[pp.int.general] germany election

Tue Sep 24 17:28:50 CEST 2013

"if you don't count the people who voted first time" is a horribly big
"if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find the worst in the results,
just be happy and keep trucking. If we start over-considering every failure
we will never survive as a movement.

Anton

On 24 September 2013 17:25, Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de> wrote:

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> 2,2% is bad because we actually losed votes if you don't count the
> people who voted first time.
> For the voters under 18 the votes are spred fairly evenly among many
> parties, PP got more then 12%.
> http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/
> There is big difference between voting districts in the lowest level,
> though.
> Where I was the candidate (more or less just to have one) we scored 17%
> http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/
> But at the same time I (and the PP) in my voting district had one of
> the lowest "real" votes (1,7% for Pirates).
>
> If you take that as mesurement we are not better then 2009, we are
> worse (in Sachsen-Anhalt state even directly compared)
>
>
> LennStar
>
>
> Am 24.09.2013 10:29, schrieb Paul Berettoni (cmal):
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I think on the contrary that 2.2% is far from being a bad result.
> > This shows that despite the lack of media attention and all the
> > internal conflits you had to face, you still achieved some progress
> > since 2009.
> >
> > It is true that in between, the Piratenpartei has won many seats
> > in regional parliements and has been polled as third biggest party
> > of Germany. But don't you think that was really artificial ?
> >
> > The Pirates have caught a lot of media attention and were at the
> > time rather undefined ? yet different from others, which led them
> > to gathering support from many contesters who didn't share many
> > ideas and values with us.
> >
> > This situation is still happening in France? with our fascist
> > party ?¹? which gathers more than 20% of the votes at every
> > election. But many of their voters do not support their
> > anti-humanist policies and as soon as they find a good alternative
> > (the Pirates ?) highlighted by the media they will probably stop
> > voting for them.
> >
> > Then came Alternative für Deutschland, which probably took many
> > Pirate voters on the dark side of politics : xenophobia,
> > euroscepticism, etc? Their 5% didn't come out of nowhere and I am
> > very sure many of their supporters are just basic contesters who at
> > some point in history supported the Pirate Party.
> >
> > Still, I would like to point out a very interesting fact : the
> > Pirate Party in Germany is the only progressive party to have
> > actually progressed in the results since the last elections,
> > gathering 0.2% more than last time. In comparison, the Greens and
> > the Left lost each about 3%.
> >
> > Do you still think the situation is that bad ? 2.2% is already
> > quite a lot, and if I could make it so 2.2% of the french
> > population actually promotes and practices Freedom, Democracy and
> > Sharing, I would probably ? although I would never stop working on
> > it and acknoledge it ? consider my political mission to be
> > accomplished.
> >
> > Because 2.2% is a very strong critical mass, enough to change the
> > world by other means than elections.
> >
> > I am sorry I have no time to go deeper on the topic ; I am
> > expected somewhere else. In case any of you speak French or would
> > like to use a well known translation tool, here is the article we
> > french Pirates are about to publish regarding the german elections
> > : http://www.partipirate.org/spip.php?article391&var_mode=preview
> >
> > So congratulations to all those who everyday contribute to the
> > Pirate movement or to changing the world in any other way. Keep
> > going and don't get influenced by numbers.
> >
> > Freely, Paul Berettoni (cmal)
> >
> > ?¹? National socialism based on strong state and anti-human rights
> > law, following one "charismatic" leader (Marine Le Pen) would be
> > what I call a fascist party although it might not fit the academic
> > definition.
> >
> > On 09/24/2013 12:07 AM, peter.boehm wrote:
> >> hi,
> >
> >> just my two cents.
> >
> >> cent one:
> >
> >> we had federal elections here in germany yesterday, and recieved
> >> 'only' 2.2 percent. that was more than last time, back in 2009.
> >
> >> last elections were quite chaotic, this one was far better
> >> organised, but we still failed.
> >
> >> we had a wide program concerning many topics, but the program
> >> was set in spring. this brought no attention from the media in
> >> the last weeks. we had some successes in last years, entering
> >> some states parliaments, and the pirates there are doing good
> >> work - but this was no issue in media, because shortly after the
> >> rise in polls there came some quarrels. personal issues,
> >> differences in opinions, also some histories from some pirates
> >> who held elected positions came up in the media.
> >
> >> in the last month we release many statements concerning the
> >> global spying from the us secret agencies, but this topic was to
> >> complicated for most journalists and politicians. our beloved
> >> chancelor merkel ignored it, following in the steps of helmut
> >> kohl by doing nothing and keeping calm.
> >
> >> the other opposition parties made a show, the head of the
> >> socialdemocrats showed a f..kfinger, one head of the greenparty
> >> hat some historic issue. then there is a new populistic
> >> anti-EURO-party, which took some media attention very easy.
> >
> >> so.. we did our best, but the mainstream did not notice. we have
> >> a stable base of supporter through the whole society, but we
> >> will stay out of the federal parliament for at least the next
> >> four years.
> >
> >> this was the one cent, the other cent i'd like to mention:
> >
> >> the german pirates tried to build a complete program covering
> >> all issues and problems. the program is really good, not biased
> >> by interest groups, but it is not perfect. what i personaly miss
> >> are some of the old 'core'-issues, back then the pirate party
> >> germany was foundet to -reform copyright and patents rights
> >> -enhance privacy for citizen -make the government more
> >> transparent
> >
> >> the german pirates - today - have no agenda concerning patent
> >> rights, this is a to complicated topic to talk about. and
> >> transparency of governments is far away, now as the secret
> >> agencies have a carde blanche to do what they want.
> >
> >> my best wishes go to pirate party austria (election on saturday),
> >>  greetings, peter
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