[pp.int.general] germany election

Justus Römeth squig at dfpx.de
Wed Sep 25 10:42:03 CEST 2013


13% of Swedes are considering voting Pirates, that doesn't mean that they
will (or that Piratpartiet is at 13% on the polls). It's still awesome, but
lets keep our feet on the ground.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Francisco George <
francisco.george at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't mess up elections, people don't vote the same for a city council,
> regional elections or a federal one the reasoning for the vote is completly
> different. In Sweden PiratPartiet is polling at 13% for EU elections, the
> double than what they got in EU elections in 2008 and a lot more that they
> had in their State elections.
>
>
> 2013/9/24 carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>
>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 05:28:50PM +0200, Anton Nordenfur wrote:
>> > "if you don't count the people who voted first time" is a horribly big
>> > "if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find the worst in the results,
>>
>> considering that at some point in time about a 10% of the german
>> population was willing to give some new folks a chance, it really
>> doesn't matter if we ended up 0.2% above or below the previous
>> result. it's a terrible crash in any case.
>>
>> i spent some time collecting all the criticism and analysis,
>> especially from the press, and looking at possible solutions
>> to the mess.. (in german of course:)
>>     https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Wahlen/Bund/2013/Analyse
>>
>> i'll translate the rough topics:
>>
>> - promise of digital participation
>>   (failure to introduce a permanent assembly)
>> - discipline & fairness (measures to stop twitter shitstorms
>>   and suboptimal interaction with the press)
>> - networking (ability to mobilize supporters and members)
>> - handling of the nsa scandal situation (journalists didn't
>>   like us bashing the government about it)
>> - better legitimation of the board
>> - sorting out priorities in political issues (hello cal!)
>> - definition of transparency and "social liberal"
>> - communicate parliamentary work getting done
>> - less folklore
>> - strategy concerning faces in public
>> - presence on the streets between elections
>> - dealing with false news stories
>>
>> you may find some of them familiar. note that most of these
>> points were brought up by *outside observers(!)* writing for
>> spiegel, heise and especially golem.
>>
>> the good news is, there are ideas out there to handle each
>> of the problems. all it takes is the political will and
>> consensus to take action soon enough to save our europe
>> 2014 campaign.
>>
>> in fact, if we want to get going on a european scale, the
>> german pirate party must get back on its feet in no time
>> and make positive international press headlines before the
>> year is thru.
>>
>> i firmly believe we can get back on track if the will to
>> learn the lessons from the analysis exists. actually we
>> could take everyone by surprise.
>>
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