[pp.int.general] germany election
peter.boehm
peter.boehm at bremen.piratenpartei.de
Wed Sep 25 23:30:07 CEST 2013
thanks for all the responses and i want to add:
we did not enter the parliament, but we are up and running.
we improved our result, but i hoped for more.
yes, we had nearly one million votes for the pirate party in germany.
this feels for me like a stable base, the number did not increase only
because - in my opinion - the media paid no attention to our proposals
and our issues. merkel wants to sit out the global surveillance scandal,
like kohl sat out many other problems - if you are on top doing nothing,
you can not make many mistakes. sigh.
certainly the number of so called "first votes" raised - last election
we did not have direct candidates in nearly every "wahlkreis" of the
bundestag, that's what first votes in germany are for. but we won no
"direct mandat", which would mean, that a pirate has to become more
votes in his wahlkreis than any other party. three direct mandats would
have meant: entering the parliament. german elections are complicated,
like german tax laws.
==this information might be useful:==
this weekend some pirates from different regional pp-de organisations
are meeting for a talk after the elections.
more informations can be found here:
http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Marina_Kassel_2013_2 (german) and german
twitter channel here: https://twitter.com/MarinaOrga
i will not be there, but this is, as far as i know, an in-persona
meeting with ppl from all over germany, maybe with livecast.
greetings and keep sailing,
peter
On 09/25/2013 04:07 PM, Dario wrote:
> Funny but not useful. Try again.
>
> I'll propose something. First thing to do is to meet (at least
> on-line) to share our POV and ideas about what can be done better. We
> must focus on European Elections, national elections in between, and
> any international action to get better known.
>
> Who's up to do this? Who can get in contact with PP-DE's campaign
> chief/coordinator (or any other person who has been responsible for
> the campaign). It is important to speak to someone who managed it.
>
>
> 2013/9/25 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
> <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>
> Come on, Dario, go have a laugh on somebody else :)
>
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> From: dario at pirata.cat <mailto:dario at pirata.cat>
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:22:37 +0200
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
> Please, keep constructive.
>
> Try to turn negativity to actionable ideas to improve.
>
>
> 2013/9/25 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
> <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>
>
> That may be a clever comment, Charly, even if debatable.
>
> But do not forget: "To be good at something, one need about
> ten years of good clever studying, training, trying."
>
> I've got almost 30 years of that. The way our movement thinks
> it can work... I will always be outvoted by the careless fools
> that have gotten free reign with their simple numerical majority.
>
> Supported by the foolish careerists like out Überchief who
> think they can manage foolish crowds to their advantage, damn
> logic, damn ethic, damn values, damn Statutes, and damn stupid
> fools.
>
> Everyone who did nothing since the staged PPI GA in
> Kazan/Brussels being one of them fools.
>
>
> Antonio.
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:34:38 +0200
> From: charly.pache at gmail.com <mailto:charly.pache at gmail.com>
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
> I think as well than our movement to be successful do not need
> a full program. Anyway apolitic citizen don't waste their time
> reading it, full program is boring. We need VALUES, PROPOSALS
> and good AMBASSADORS who get involved into campaigns, society
> projects, even outside politics. The more we will do so, the
> more we will get media attention. Citizen vote for people they
> know, trust and appreciate. And we can't build this so
> quickly. To be good at something, one need about ten years of
> good clever studying, training, trying. And we have to get rid
> of classic party schemes. We have to act as freely connected
> individuals towards same goals/projects (falkvinge swarmwise).
> The less power concentration inside a party, the better we
> will succeed. Think about it every day ;)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Antonio Garcia
> <ningunotro at hotmail.com <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Strange recommendation, coming from one of the least aware
> Germans :)
>
> Always looking at the bright side of illusions.
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:03 +0200
> From: squig at dfpx.de <mailto:squig at dfpx.de>
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election
>
> 13% of Swedes are considering voting Pirates, that doesn't
> mean that they will (or that Piratpartiet is at 13% on the
> polls). It's still awesome, but lets keep our feet on the
> ground.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Francisco George
> <francisco.george at gmail.com
> <mailto:francisco.george at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Don't mess up elections, people don't vote the same
> for a city council, regional elections or a federal
> one the reasoning for the vote is completly different.
> In Sweden PiratPartiet is polling at 13% for EU
> elections, the double than what they got in EU
> elections in 2008 and a lot more that they had in
> their State elections.
>
>
> 2013/9/24 carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org
> <mailto:lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 05:28:50PM +0200, Anton
> Nordenfur wrote:
> > "if you don't count the people who voted first
> time" is a horribly big
> > "if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find
> the worst in the results,
>
> considering that at some point in time about a 10%
> of the german
> population was willing to give some new folks a
> chance, it really
> doesn't matter if we ended up 0.2% above or below
> the previous
> result. it's a terrible crash in any case.
>
> i spent some time collecting all the criticism and
> analysis,
> especially from the press, and looking at possible
> solutions
> to the mess.. (in german of course:)
> https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Wahlen/Bund/2013/Analyse
>
> i'll translate the rough topics:
>
> - promise of digital participation
> (failure to introduce a permanent assembly)
> - discipline & fairness (measures to stop twitter
> shitstorms
> and suboptimal interaction with the press)
> - networking (ability to mobilize supporters and
> members)
> - handling of the nsa scandal situation
> (journalists didn't
> like us bashing the government about it)
> - better legitimation of the board
> - sorting out priorities in political issues
> (hello cal!)
> - definition of transparency and "social liberal"
> - communicate parliamentary work getting done
> - less folklore
> - strategy concerning faces in public
> - presence on the streets between elections
> - dealing with false news stories
>
> you may find some of them familiar. note that most
> of these
> points were brought up by *outside observers(!)*
> writing for
> spiegel, heise and especially golem.
>
> the good news is, there are ideas out there to
> handle each
> of the problems. all it takes is the political
> will and
> consensus to take action soon enough to save our
> europe
> 2014 campaign.
>
> in fact, if we want to get going on a european
> scale, the
> german pirate party must get back on its feet in
> no time
> and make positive international press headlines
> before the
> year is thru.
>
> i firmly believe we can get back on track if the
> will to
> learn the lessons from the analysis exists.
> actually we
> could take everyone by surprise.
>
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