[pp.int.general] VIlfredo goes to Athens. /era Re: Liquid Democracy - a summary attempt

[carlo von lynX]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 09:49:13PM +0200, Cal. wrote:
> Il 28/apr/2014 21:01 "carlo von lynX" <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org> ha
> scritto:
> > Too frequently I hear people say something like the toaster
> > burnt my bread so I throw it away and use the microwave instead.
> 
> You sound more like a "guns don't kill people" activist.
> Voting makes fight. You don't get away from that.

No, lack of discipline and common vision and good-heartedness
makes people fight and voting subsequently fail. Why did it
work in Berlin? Because we weren't a**holes to each other.
Because we weren't pulling out the guns. I am a "guns kill
people" activist and I'm promoting the idea of banning guns
in Pirate Parties.

What I mean by that is for example to proactively intervene
when people put on fighting tones on mailing lists or when
they shitstorm on Twitter. Not just intervene because we are
nice but intervene because there is rule of law whithin the
party. Currently there isn't, and we are bleeding out because
people are shooting with guns all the time and no-one stops
them.

> Moreover, we saw that your dear liquid makes no difference between neonazi
> minorities and legitimate ones, both unheard in the same identical way.
> That is plainly unacceptable.

Incorrect. Minorities get weeks of debating time to bring
forward all the facts that should make the majority understand
the issue from their point of view.

Of course that doesn't work if everyone is busy shooting with
guns instead of empathically reading proposals from minorities.

So I keep saying, it's not the software that is failing.
It's the lack of rules in our digital political party.

But I know that you are already so bitter about it, you will
not seriously consider my words.