[pp.int.general] [AG Liquid Democracy] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel]

Please send me an invitation when available!
Thanks!!

Betiel


2014-06-02 16:05 GMT-03:00 Dario Castañé <dario at pirata.cat>:

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> Hi there :) In Brussels we met to talk about starting a group to
> develop tools around liquid organizations concept:
> http://thinkship.cc/en/introduction-to-liquid-organizations/
>
> After EU elections we wanted to restart the project creating a mailing
> list so you are welcome to join us when it is available!
>
> El 02/06/14 20:45, Betiel escribió:
> > I always wanted to create some collaborative project to do all the
> > tools we want just the way  we want. I`m afraid I do not have time
> > to take the wheel and start it, neither to program them :( But, as
> > we have the pirate times, I believe creating a programming project
> > would be nice! So I throw the idea to the list.
> >
> > Betiel
> >
> >
> > 2014-06-02 6:46 GMT-03:00 Martin Stolze <pirate.martin at stolze.cc>:
> >
> >> Hey Jacob, Thanks a lot that is one exciting idea! I try to look
> >> at approaches mostly under the aspect of whether they can work
> >> and create traction. There are a few criteria that I found
> >> significant. Simplicity, is the most important of them. Think
> >> about limesurvey, the only tool producing any meaningful feedback
> >> as of now. Anything "Meinungsfindungstool" is like 10 Degrees
> >> more complex and for that it seems to be not implementable right
> >> now. - And who speaks German anyway? ;)
> >>
> >> I like to think of it like layers of an onion. The first layer
> >> must be very simple, not even as complex as ?yes? or ?no?. Just a
> >> simple "like/+1" may suffice. This and a focus on seamless
> >> integration to wherever people spend their time must be the
> >> priority. Once somebody is hooked we can go down the rabbit whole
> >> and do all the ?Meinungsfindung?. - It?s what I like about
> >> Silicon Valley and placeavote.com, they keep it simple and
> >> deliver something appealing, the rest is iteration. In contrast,
> >> udeci.de seems to take the opposite approach.
> >>
> >> Best Regards Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jacob Kanev <j_kanev at arcor.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Martin,
> >>>
> >>> you might also want to connect with the people from our "AG
> >>> Meinungsfindungstool" [1]. They're busy implementing something
> >>> called qKonsens, an online system that combines voting and
> >>> discussing.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure how far it is, I haven't followed the discussion
> >>> in detail, but as far as I can see some good ideas have met
> >>> some programmers.
> >>>
> >>> Lots of regards, Jacob.
> >>>
> >>> [1] ag-meinungsfindungstool at lists.piratenpartei.de
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sunday 01 June 2014 20:49:39 Martin Stolze wrote:
> >>>> ?? Hi Together, I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure
> >>>> is actually our biggest challenge. I guess, by now, it is
> >>>> safe to say that we don't actually
> >>> have
> >>>> the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid
> >>>> Feedback, shitty mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The
> >>>> way I see it is that we
> >>> simply
> >>>> don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary
> >>>> to develop something pioneering. All the good ideas and
> >>>> innovations coupled with
> >>> our
> >>>> lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them
> >>>> into Java or
> >>> PHP.
> >>>>
> >>>> The guys at placeavote.com have been gone through the news as
> >>>> they try
> >>> to
> >>>> shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system
> >>>> by means of levering it out and replacing politicians with
> >>>> proxies that only relay decisions made by the corresponding
> >>>> constituency.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly
> >>>> unlikely.
> >>> However
> >>>> using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking
> >>>> it a little
> >>> can
> >>>> be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle
> >>>> ages that we
> >>> are
> >>>> stuck in.
> >>>>
> >>>> It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking
> >>>> more along
> >>> the
> >>>> lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us
> >>>> as some
> >>> kind
> >>>> of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit
> >>>> of the
> >>> cash
> >>>> that should come our way in form of election refunds? ? :)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>> -- ____________________________ Pungenday, 7th of Confusion,
> >>> 3180. jacob kanev twitter: @j_kanev jabber:
> >>> jkanev at jabber.ccc.de
> >>>
> >>>
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