[pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel]

Let me see If I understand.. you are saying we are fighting wind mills, but
you do not have any alternative?

At least have the vision to  not complain about impossibles.

In the past people though it was impossible to something heavier than air
to fly,
In the past people though many things were impossible!!
But luckily for us there were people who though what others call impossible
to be possible.
So please, stop saying something is impossible, because everything in the
future is possible!

You can call us "idiots" for trying to achieve what you call impossible,
but luckily for you and us, there were many "idiots" in our history that
chose to believe the impossibles were possible and therefore changed the
world.


Betiel

PS: By the way.. the people with experience in life I was thinking was in
the other group :P
And... Where did you get the idea we do not know what the problems are?
We know more, much more than you glimpse.




2014-06-02 17:53 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:

> Of course I am not the only one... but the others seem smart enoug not to
> show up when #IDIOCRACY seems to be unavoidable.
>
> Believe what you want, have faith... it won't move mountains that are not
> there.
>
> If you do not have a better solution, not even a better understanding of
> what the problem really is...
>
> ... only that you have so little faith in yourself and your own knowledge
> of facts that you have no margin whatsoever to have confidence in anybody
> but yourself at all...
>
> ... then there is nothing else you can do to survive than become a monkey
> again... you will be empaled by others that complete the process faster :(.
>
> All the shortcuts to communism have sacrificed intelligence.
>
> Pirates won't be smart enough to do anything else.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 17:41:21 -0300
> From: betielix at gmail.com
>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?
>
> Well, exactly that`s the heart of the matter. Nobody here has a better
> solution than swarm or liquid approach) So we only try to improve what we
> think is the better we know. At least until someone more inspired than us
> appears. That`s the best we can give.
>
> We know both (swarm and liquid) have their issues, but we believe we can
> work on those issues to try to make them dissapear, or at least make them
> less problematic than the issues that have the actual democracies arround
> the world.
>
> Betiel
>
> PS: You are not the only one with experience in life!
>
>
>
> 2014-06-02 17:14 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>
> If only ANYONE could point me towards any more efficient one? Without
> wishful thinking about the situation being the right one for it to apply.
> All except licking the wrong asses, of course, I do value my dignity.
>
> I do have some experience in life, you know, becoming 50 was not a
> freeride.
>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:04:14 +0200
> > From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Both lack of infrastructure and lack of personal capacities are due to
> the
> > > poor sociological level the overall mass dynamics inject into the
> swarm.
> > > When the majotity decides everything, and that majority does not care
> to
> > > inform itself thoroughly before casting a vote but does so following
> buddy
> > > politics, or low rationality desires, or voting no matter how because
> what
> > > sustains their self-esteem is exercising their right to vote even in
> the
> > > easiest way possible, tossing a coin or throwing dice...
> > >
> > > ... then what the swarm becomes is an #IDIOCRAZY ;(.
> > >
> > > When it takes intelligent pirates AGES to get a wrong act reversed, and
> > > while they are onto it 10 other wrong and stupid decision stack up...
> > > intelligent people give up because remaining coherent becomes
> impossible.
> > >
> > > They silently drop out. No need top make an useless fuss out of it.
> > >
> > > And with each intelligent dropout the black hole of total #IDIOCRAZY
> cpmes
> > > closer for the Pirate Movement.
> > >
> > > I've been battling the phenomenon inside the Spanish Pirate Party,
> before I
> > > had to take it by the horns at the PPI when I attended the 2012 Prague
> > > General Assembly.
> >
> > It does not look like you are too successful in this - have you ever
> > thought about changing your methods?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Zbigniew
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