[pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide - fight the ACTA zombies !

[Aram Gurekian]

Hi all.
There is already a "Stop TTIP" active movement, so I contacted the Italian
network http://stop-ttip-italia.net/info/.
For better results we have to work with them in order to create a sinergy.

Cheers,
Aram (PP-IT)








On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>wrote:

> My plan for this would be:
>
> First contact all European pirate parties about the date. We need to
> choose a date that would be appropriate for all (or nearly all) of the
> countries. And we need to choose it quickly. We can do that via
> personal contacts (call all party leaders that you have phone numbers,
> or use emails) and by IRC (we need quick answers here). This is
> something that the original organizer (Torben Lechner) should do, but
> of course I will help with this. I would use
> http://doodle.com/yx9zvpn767cvbtfz for this and I would give all the
> participants a week to choose the date.
>
> If the Torben has no time for this - then I would let it go - the only
> way to get people committed to this is by showing your own commitment.
>
> When we have the date - then we can start asking all European
> Parliament candidates to commit to making demonstrations in their
> locations.  This is in their own interest - they need to show in the
> media - so it should be easy to have them commit to this, and we would
> have demonstrations in really lots of places.
>
> We should also contact all Green parties. Here is Poland they are
> ready to join - we need to ask in all other countries. They also are
> very antiTTIP and they should not have qualms to join the
> demonstrations that are mostly organized by another party.
>
> We can also ask other parties - some nationalistic parties can join
> the protests as well on the grounds of the danger to sovereignty that
> comes with the ISDS. Socialists can join on the grounds of ISDS being
> a tool for multinational corporations. Be political here - decide on
> your own exceptions - but by default welcome all organizations that
> want to join.
>
> And finally NGOs - there are lots of them - we probably cannot count
> on direct support for this from most as it is clear that this will be
> part of the European Parliamentary campaign and NGOs are very careful
> not to be involved in party politics. But a few can join and also
> indirect support can make a big difference. There are many types of
> NGOs that we can contact - from all the traditionally aligned with our
> goals like Quadrature du Net, FFII, FSF, EDRI etc., to consumer
> protection organizations, to trade unions.
>
> Finally - we have now the European Pirate Party - bring them on.
> Amelia Andersdotter is probably the person that has the most trust
> from NGOs among all pirate leaders.
>
> Cheers,
> Zbigniew
>
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Torben Lechner <hyazinthe at emailn.de>
> wrote:
> > To the aim-thing:
> > 1. We've never done that for a demo before; I'd anticipate that it's
> unnecessary.
> > 2. Saying a concrete high number emotionally is perceived as something,
> which is impossible to reach; the consequence of it is demotivation and
> that people don't even start to do anything.
> >
> > That's why we're better without it. I mean, look at change.org - what
> do they do with petitions ? They don't start with "only 499.990 for
> reaching 500.000" but with "only 10 for reaching 100" - and that for a
> reason.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > / aka Oliver
> >
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Zbigniew ?ukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
> > Datum: 28.03.2014 13:55:21
> > An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk        <
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> > Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests -
> worldwide -  fight the ACTA zombies !
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Generally speaking:
> >> >
> >> > Think about it and then do what you think best to reach the goal to
> >> get
> >> > 250000 people on the streets. Nobody of us knows better then you (as
> >> in
> >> > polish people) what to do in Poland.
> >>
> >> Realistically we can count on maybe 20 people in Warsaw and a few in
> >> other cities - just like it was with antiPRISM demos in September last
> >> year (dig the emails on this list - it might be interesting to you).
> >> It also seemed like such a good occasion, something that we should
> >> protest about. And we can do it again - but it will only be to show
> >> 'at least we did something'.
> >>
> >> The spontaneous organization of antiACTA does not happen too often -
> >> don't count on that. And if we want something bigger we need to
> >> organize it very thoroughly and first of all you need other
> >> organizations to join. Nobody will join the event if you set the date
> >> for them - you need them to jointly choose the date and commit that
> >> they will organize something at that time.
> >>
> >> In the meantime we can work on the info materials for the protest.
> >>
> >> Z.
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> >
> >
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>
>
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> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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