[pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide - fight the ACTA zombies !

Mon Mar 31 12:50:10 CEST 2014

Exactly; it's not the first time that in the course of our networking - point "getting connected" https://stopttipprotest.wikia.com - we bump into groups with the same aim; the trick is to notice this and to make sure to work together. ;)
For instance, yesterday, the same happened with the groups "flush the TTIP" and "pafta". You did right by simply inviting them to the voting of the demo date; could you please also document it in the pad of "getting connected" so that this group won't get contacted twice ?

Greetings,
/ aka Oliver
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Aram Gurekian <aramgk at gmail.com>
Datum: 31.03.2014 11:31:00
An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 	<pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide -  fight the ACTA zombies !

Hi all.

There is already a "Stop TTIP" active movement, so I contacted the Italian network http://stop-ttip-italia.net/info/.

For better results we have to work with them in order to create a sinergy.

Cheers,

Aram (PP-IT)

On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Zbigniew ?ukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
My plan for this would be:

First contact all European pirate parties about the date. We need to
choose a date that would be appropriate for all (or nearly all) of the
countries. And we need to choose it quickly. We can do that via
personal contacts (call all party leaders that you have phone numbers,
or use emails) and by IRC (we need quick answers here). This is
something that the original organizer (Torben Lechner) should do, but
of course I will help with this. I would use
http://doodle.com/yx9zvpn767cvbtfz for this and I would give all the
participants a week to choose the date.

If the Torben has no time for this - then I would let it go - the only
way to get people committed to this is by showing your own commitment.

When we have the date - then we can start asking all European
Parliament candidates to commit to making demonstrations in their
locations.  This is in their own interest - they need to show in the
media - so it should be easy to have them commit to this, and we would
have demonstrations in really lots of places.

We should also contact all Green parties. Here is Poland they are
ready to join - we need to ask in all other countries. They also are
very antiTTIP and they should not have qualms to join the
demonstrations that are mostly organized by another party.

We can also ask other parties - some nationalistic parties can join
the protests as well on the grounds of the danger to sovereignty that
comes with the ISDS. Socialists can join on the grounds of ISDS being
a tool for multinational corporations. Be political here - decide on
your own exceptions - but by default welcome all organizations that
want to join.

And finally NGOs - there are lots of them - we probably cannot count
on direct support for this from most as it is clear that this will be
part of the European Parliamentary campaign and NGOs are very careful
not to be involved in party politics. But a few can join and also
indirect support can make a big difference. There are many types of
NGOs that we can contact - from all the traditionally aligned with our
goals like Quadrature du Net, FFII, FSF, EDRI etc., to consumer
protection organizations, to trade unions.

Finally - we have now the European Pirate Party - bring them on.
Amelia Andersdotter is probably the person that has the most trust
from NGOs among all pirate leaders.

Cheers,
Zbigniew

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Torben Lechner <hyazinthe at emailn.de> wrote:
> To the aim-thing:
> 1. We've never done that for a demo before; I'd anticipate that it's unnecessary.
> 2. Saying a concrete high number emotionally is perceived as something, which is impossible to reach; the consequence of it is demotivation and that people don't even start to do anything.
>
> That's why we're better without it. I mean, look at change.org - what do they do with petitions ? They don't start with "only 499.990 for reaching 500.000" but with "only 10 for reaching 100" - and that for a reason.
>
> Greetings,
> / aka Oliver
>
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Zbigniew ?ukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
> Datum: 28.03.2014 13:55:21
> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] 19.04.2014 - Stop TTIP Protests - worldwide -  fight the ACTA zombies !
>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Pirat at LennStar.de <pirat at lennstar.de>
>> wrote:
>> > Generally speaking:
>> >
>> > Think about it and then do what you think best to reach the goal to
>> get
>> > 250000 people on the streets. Nobody of us knows better then you (as
>> in
>> > polish people) what to do in Poland.
>>
>> Realistically we can count on maybe 20 people in Warsaw and a few in
>> other cities - just like it was with antiPRISM demos in September last
>> year (dig the emails on this list - it might be interesting to you).
>> It also seemed like such a good occasion, something that we should
>> protest about. And we can do it again - but it will only be to show
>> 'at least we did something'.
>>
>> The spontaneous organization of antiACTA does not happen too often -
>> don't count on that. And if we want something bigger we need to
>> organize it very thoroughly and first of all you need other
>> organizations to join. Nobody will join the event if you set the date
>> for them - you need them to jointly choose the date and commit that
>> they will organize something at that time.
>>
>> In the meantime we can work on the info materials for the protest.
>>
>> Z.
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