[pp.int.general] consensus experiment

[Antonio Garcia]

Fuere is one big trouble about consensus...

... you can have one, and build a willing group around it...
... but you can't have a group where absolutely everybody is admitted acritically, like in absolutely horizontal inclusive groups... and then try to find a suitable consensus.

Sign of the times... all you get is an idiocracy.


Nothing very Pirate Codex-like ;(.

Got more than two years of acute experience with that. BOTH in Pirates and in the Indignado movement.

Naievety rules ;(.

> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:57:46 +0200
> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] consensus experiment
> 
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Andreas Czák <Sonstwer at piratenpartei.at> wrote:
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> > I've posted a counter proposal in your pad
> >
> > http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels
> >
> >
> >
> > #Counter Proposal:
> >
> >     Identify the interests of local pirate organisations (and people)
> >     create channels based on the same interests
> >     -> leads to international working groups on specific tasks
> >     -> reduces the information overflow on coordinators
> >    -> makes it easier to work on specific tasks and topics rather than
> > having to read ALL the international communication
> >
> > Reason for me is: There're sooo many mails and i'm not able to read them all
> > in order to get things done we must split communication based on topics,
> > doing so will enable more pirates to work together on the things they're
> > interested in
> 
> Good idea.  It is not really incompatible with my proposal.
> 
> I think what was lacking in the previous efforts is *community building*.
> What we need is more or less stable groups, with defined boundaries,
> that have the power to self-govern (and thus reduce trolls and
> flames). If the goal is global - than these groups need
> representatives from many parties (optimally from all existing pirate
> parties). Building them will require some effort.
> 
> My idea is to use the consensus process when building one or more of
> these groups.
> 
> Because the community building requires much effort - than when we
> build such a group it should not have too narrow goal.
> 
> 
> Plus I listed some goals for such a group to tackle:
> 
> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests, but also actions
> like welcoming Snowden etc.)
> 
> * working on common program core (the European common core program is
> very useful for small parties and it should be copied worldwide)
> 
> * making common declarations
> 
> * maybe working on PPI statutes
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Z.
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