[pp.int.general] Recent events involving PPI

[Michel Gallant]

Wow, all this bureaucratic bickering over pirate statutes sure is helping
advance our cause! Go Andrew, fighting the good fight. Not. I'm out.
On Mar 6, 2015 6:54 PM, "Andrew Norton" <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 3/6/2015 6:07 PM, Jens Stomber wrote:
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > there are three things that you can do regarding PPI:
> > 1. love it
> > 2. change it
> > 3. leave it
> >
> > Please make a decision and act accordingly. Do you represent any of PPI´s
> > members at the moment? Do you take any responsibilities in PPI? if not,
> please
> > stop arguing with Thomas and Gregory. Trolling is not a solution if you
> can´t
> > get enough support for your arguments.
>
> At present, actually, I don't know. As the Chair of USPP, I represent
> PP-florida, which is an observer member. so....
>
> I personally have tried number 2, and continue to do so. Especially as
> PPI will n doubt continue to claim it represents the Pirate movement
> internationally (which it clearly no longer does)
>
> Oh, and 'trolling' is when a person who sows discord on the Internet by
> starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,
> extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a
> newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of
> provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting
> normal on-topic discussion.
>
> I am not starting arguments, I'm highlighting already existing ones. But
> otherwise I'm just doing internally to the pirate movement what the
> pirate movement is doing to politics in general.
>
> Are you calling Pirates in general a Troll? Or is it only because it's
> 'one of your guys'?
>
> >
> > The pirate movement has unfortunately moved into a negative trend
> (Iceland
> > seems to be the only exception). Hitting the PPI board aside of the
> official
> > processes (GA, board meetings, motions, etc.) will even harm us more.
> Please
> > keep calm and constructive and stop this shitstorm!
>
> Do you know why it's in decline in many countries? Because certain
> groups are not practising what they preach, or as the Scots would say,
> 'all mouth and no trousers'.
>
> We are supposed to be a 'new way' of doing things, with transparency and
> accountability. What you're talking about is "shut up about the bad
> stuff, bury it and don't expose it because it'll make us look bad"
> That's terrible short-term thinking. Just look at the UK and Operation
> Yewtree, and now in the UK Conservative party over its actions in the
> 80s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier)
>
> You might say 'but we're not talking about that, that's extreme', but
> when does a little "acceptable" cover-up turn into a cover-up that's NOT
> acceptable to you? Brings to mind the old joke
>
> Man: Would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
> Woman: For a million pounds? ok, I guess.
> Man: How about for £20?
> Woman: Of course not, what sort of woman do you think I am?
> Man: I think we've already established what kind of woman you are, now
> we're just haggling over the price.
>
> Are you haggling with me?
>
> Oh, and Iceland isn't alone in still ascending. PPUK's still growing and
> doing better, and USPP's growing in leaps and bounds (our best election
> result in November was 18% - imagine what we'd have done with that sweet
> multi-party system you have in Germany, rather than having 50 distinct
> separate systems, almost all of them specifically to prohibit any 3rd
> party, and where money rules)
>
> And I'll share with you one little tip, from my many many years in
> politics, as well as the time I've spent in and around journalism.
> Reporters are far more impressed, and react far more favourably to
> entities that identify, admit and fix their problems than they do to
> entities that ignore and hide those problems when they come to light.
> This list's archive is publicly viewable, there are a number of
> journalists on here as well. How credible do you think they will find
> you as PPDE's spokesman on the NSA if they find your previous email
> saying "shut up about our problems, you're making us look bad", after
> all isn't that pretty much what Snowdon was told, multiple times, and
> why he's being persecuted?
>
> Think on that, eh.
>
> Andrew
>
> - --
> Andrew Norton
> http://ktetch.co.uk
> Tel: +1(352)6-KTETCH [+1-352-658-3824]
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