[pp.int.general] Don't you think we should stand up and actually do something?

Wed Mar 11 16:48:32 CET 2015

> Are there still pirates who want to realize something or will shit
> dropping and blaming guilty still be acceptable on this platform?

Yes :)

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Matías

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:44:26 +0100
"Thomas Blechschmidt" <thomas.blechschmidt at piratenpartei-bayern.de>
wrote:

> Ay Pirates,
> 
>  
> 
> Seems, that there are still some intellectual and emotional resources
> left within the movement. Resources, that better should not be bended
> in bureaucracy or formalities.
> 
>  
> 
> I never understood the goal, the sense and the concept of PPI. So I
> still am just watching, what happens and what is going on. Since
> that, it seems to be a platform for two types of people: The ones who
> want  to obtain power, control over the movement, reputation,
> remarkable celebritiy and the ones who just want to communicate and
> exchange what they are thinking about politically. Was there ever a
> goal the movement definitely wanted to achieve?
> 
>  
> 
> I think, what we can do: make it a platform just for pirates who want
> to find out, what we have in common and what we want to achieve in
> the future. What is our political vision of the world? What are the
> values, we share, what is our common ideology and what common
> interpretation and view of political philosophy do we share? Do we
> have a common intellectual basis and interpretation of political
> buzzwords like “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Liberalism”, “Feudalism”,
> “Fascism”, “Nazism”, “Radicalism”, “Conservatism”, “Anarchism”,
> “Anonysm”, “Neo-Conservatism”, “Neo-feudalism”, Neo-Liberalism”,
> “Capitalism” and “Anti-Capitalism”.
> 
>  
> 
> Inside a state with a quite homogenic history it is more or less easy
> to get a common interpretation, inside bigger states or federations
> like Germany, Spain, Italy, UK,  which do not have a common origin,
> where different nationalities still exist, or in states where
> Immigrants did not really merge to a common identity, like Argentina,
> it is hard enough to define a common view and interpretation of those
> political basics. On top: Not in every country there is enough
> investment in political formation at school or universities and
> political education and formation very often is just a topic for a
> few elites, often especially those elites who are formed to rule and
> govern companies and the administration. They just get this knowledge
> to learn how to dominate and not how to create and to maintain a
> democratic system based on freedom/liberty, equality, solidarity,
> civil rights, human rights, transparency, openness and all the real
> and virtual tools we propose to create and use as “commons”, in the
> sense, that the related infrastructures are common property and not
> legalized base for privatized public profit partnerships.
> 
>  
> 
> So I don’t understand how PPI can help in this. My first intent was
> to get a membership in a international pirate party and my
> disappointment was pretty hard, when I realized that it is just a
> formalized functional board without a perceivable common goal.
> 
>  
> 
> Are there still pirates who want to realize something or will shit
> dropping and blaming guilty still be acceptable on this platform?
> 
>  
> 
> I’m willing to ban it and to close communication to everybody who
> keeps doing this.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards
> 
>  
> 
> Thomas Blechschmidt
> 
>  
> 
> Bavaria
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> 
> Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net
> [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im
> Auftrag von Enrique Herrera Noya Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2015
> 14:07 An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk Betreff: Re:
> [pp.int.general] Don't you think we should stand up and actually do
> something?
> 
>  
> 
> my two cents,
> in Chile at the end of last December (2014), we use change.org
> (maximum 40 recipients), to apply for the freezing of the regulatory
> plan of the city councilors (or aldermen), took advantage of inform
> neighbors ... "We did burn twitter and facebook", 2600 email arrive
> to every councilor As a result: we reference us as social leaders the
> city council is attentive to our proposals and demands constitute an
> NGO neighbors and we will advise the municipality
> 
> other use we gave change.org, was with a draft law
> "media law," we get from room was returned to committee
> with only 600 signatures ... (email)
> 
> 
> it could habiltar similar to change.org system without much
> restriction reach by email MEPs ....
> 
> P-)
> 
>  
> 
> 2015-03-11 4:34 GMT-03:00 Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>:
> 
> On 03/05/15 11:43, hyazinthe at emailn.de wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Another thought:
> > We as the european pirates can't disappear and every 5 years
> > suddenly appear 3 months before EU elections and say "vote for
> > us!", Well, we can, but than we don't need to wonder, that noone
> > knows us. Currently key decision on our core topics are being made
> > in the worst thinkable way. Why can't afford to be that quiet !
> >
> > Who's with me?
> 
> Sure, I see your point. I think your actions to call MEPs and write
> them e-mails are great! More Pirates should do this locally, and
> perhaps as social events!!! :-)
> 
> I have sketched postcards that can be sent to MEPs to remind them of
> the copyright consultation. Think Amnesty-style. This is easier for
> those pirates that have some form of common money to use.
> 
> Another idea I had, although this is practically more difficult and
> much more demanding in resources of time and money, is to match
> geographical origin of consultation responses with the nationality of
> MEPs, and then simply transmit one citizen response to question 80
> (the open-ended question, where most citizens have provided short
> essays detailing their relationship to copyright at large) to every
> MEP per day. For the German responses alone, this would take three
> years(!) but for some of the smaller member states it would take less
> than a month (although not much less than a month :P).
> 
> One issue which needs to be dealt with in Germany is telecoms
> competition: how to get municipalities involved in a competitive
> telecoms strategy for the entire country. This is more or less
> happening in some smaller municipalities in northern Germany. BUGLAS
> is the national organisation for locally owned infrastructure.
> Austria shares similar developments, with rural communities being
> increasingly agitated that only the incumbents benefit from
> anti-competitive policies and at the expense of citizen wellfare. I
> was thinking local petition, targetting local politicians requesting
> them to be competitive - I've tried this in Sweden, and the support
> for competitive markets and free choice is over-whelming here, and
> the ears of housing associations in equal measure deaf. I'll report
> back in a few months when I can more accurately assess the outcome.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Amelia
> 
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Tobias Lechner
> >
> >
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