[pp.int.general] GA: Statutes & Motions

Zbigniew Łukasiak zzbbyy at gmail.com
Sat Jul 23 09:10:26 CEST 2016

SAP 9b - this motion is incomplete - if we have mechanism to suspend
parties we also need mechanism for unsuspending them.


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:43 PM, carlo von lynX
<lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org> wrote:
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2016/Statutes_Amendments
> SAP-1:  What about actually proposing a rotation system?
>         Simply abolishing stuff does not make a better democracy.
> SAP-2:  How dare you not explain why you are proposing Geneva.
> SAP-3:  Justice only exists during the General Assembly? In the
>         period in-between the board can do whatever they like?
>         Bad idea! If you want a better justice system you need
>         to propose a better justice system, not abolish a
>         cornerstone of democracy. It's like asking to abolish
>         democracy because the current version is corruptible.
> SAP-6:  How dare you not explain what the purpose of such
>         non-voting appointed members would be?
> SAP-8:  Indeed a bunch of representatives should not have
>         policy-making power. We need a proper participation tool.
> SAP-9:  Wording problem: The word "either" can legally be interpreted
>         as meaning that if a member misses one GA they can be suspended
>         from participating in the following one:
>                 http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/95559/can-either-mean-both-any-and-both
> SAP-10: An even better case of "Democracy is corruptible! Let's abolish
>         democracy altogether!" If anyone cares to fix PPint statutes, sit
>         down and write decent amendment proposals on how to do so. Don't
>         delegate Erdogan-like powers to the board and hope that democracy
>         will magically arise from there.
> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2016/Other_proposals
> MO-1:   Last minute motions are a classic means of assembly manipulation.
>         I would rather suggest a different scheme, but it is too late
>         to submit it now.
> MO-2:   Yes, the mailing lists are a mess, but abolishing them is not a
>         solution. Next time suggest to elect a moderator who is obligated
>         to moderate all messages preemptively (like nettime-l or IPEN),
>         and allow participants to complain to the CoA.
> MO-3:   Obligatory sell-out of participant data to cloudflare.com is
>         inacceptable. I would rather elect somebody to be in charge of
>         setting up a voting/debate platform fulfilling requirements
>         such as transparency and more. I would also make the possibility
>         of transforming the tool into a platform for actual pirates
>         rather than just representatives (to stop diluting democracy) a
>         requirement.
> Most proposals suffer from lack of debate among pirates and thus
> of depth, competence and even transpaarency at times. We are
> definitely using the wrong methods to face these assemblies!
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Zbigniew Lukasiak

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