[pp.int.general] GA: Statutes & Motions
zzbbyy at gmail.com
Sat Jul 23 09:10:26 CEST 2016
SAP 9b - this motion is incomplete - if we have mechanism to suspend
parties we also need mechanism for unsuspending them.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:43 PM, carlo von lynX
<lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org> wrote:
> SAP-1: What about actually proposing a rotation system?
> Simply abolishing stuff does not make a better democracy.
> SAP-2: How dare you not explain why you are proposing Geneva.
> SAP-3: Justice only exists during the General Assembly? In the
> period in-between the board can do whatever they like?
> Bad idea! If you want a better justice system you need
> to propose a better justice system, not abolish a
> cornerstone of democracy. It's like asking to abolish
> democracy because the current version is corruptible.
> SAP-6: How dare you not explain what the purpose of such
> non-voting appointed members would be?
> SAP-8: Indeed a bunch of representatives should not have
> policy-making power. We need a proper participation tool.
> SAP-9: Wording problem: The word "either" can legally be interpreted
> as meaning that if a member misses one GA they can be suspended
> from participating in the following one:
> SAP-10: An even better case of "Democracy is corruptible! Let's abolish
> democracy altogether!" If anyone cares to fix PPint statutes, sit
> down and write decent amendment proposals on how to do so. Don't
> delegate Erdogan-like powers to the board and hope that democracy
> will magically arise from there.
> MO-1: Last minute motions are a classic means of assembly manipulation.
> I would rather suggest a different scheme, but it is too late
> to submit it now.
> MO-2: Yes, the mailing lists are a mess, but abolishing them is not a
> solution. Next time suggest to elect a moderator who is obligated
> to moderate all messages preemptively (like nettime-l or IPEN),
> and allow participants to complain to the CoA.
> MO-3: Obligatory sell-out of participant data to cloudflare.com is
> inacceptable. I would rather elect somebody to be in charge of
> setting up a voting/debate platform fulfilling requirements
> such as transparency and more. I would also make the possibility
> of transforming the tool into a platform for actual pirates
> rather than just representatives (to stop diluting democracy) a
> Most proposals suffer from lack of debate among pirates and thus
> of depth, competence and even transpaarency at times. We are
> definitely using the wrong methods to face these assemblies!
> E-mail is public! Talk to me in private using encryption:
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