[pp.int.general] My thoughts at present

[Paul Tidwell]

For clarification do you think robots are going to  fundamentally change
the market order?

Like it will take people's jobs and it won't create new ones because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU?

I think we would be better to push this discussion onto IRC or something
though given the amount of people who are just like UGH SPAM, unsub.

I'm logging onto the server. I'm over in #ppi

as Daeros.



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:11 AM, carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org
> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 04:24:36AM -0700, Paul Tidwell wrote:
> > Part of the problem with populism though is that even using that word in
> > the modern political world is weaponize d and charged in a way that's
> > highly misleading.
>
> Hum, my guess would be that recovering the word "populism" for
> a good purpose is a bit of a lost cause. Until recently I didn't
> even know there is a positive way to define it. I always thought
> it means the same as demagoguery.
>
> Based on the thinking I described in the previous mail, I see
> difficulty in connecting "populism" with a "rational" and fact-
> based approach to participatory politics. But, if populism
> remains the exercise of selling simplified solutions to complex
> problems to the populace, then I don't see how doing it from
> "the left" is conceptually so much better than doing it from
> the right. I'm afraid it actually reduces the chances of doing
> "good" politics altogether.
>
> I think in 2012 we had a real chance of making the process of
> democracy the topic of conversation rather than simplifications
> of the complexity of reality. The idea that we should upgrade the
> operating system of democracy really stuck with a lot of people,
> driving our popularity in surveys up to some 13% in Germany. I
> hope this is actually the driving force behind the popularity
> of Pirates in Iceland.
>
> I don't think it is actually helpful in the "migration crisis"
> to have a public debate about varying symptoms of migration
> when the issue is complex enough to actually deserve a deep
> and competent debate on the reform of our economic system. But
> if that is over the top of the general population, it is better
> to focus on *how* our democratic processus works and have that
> be a subject of public discourse rather than the symptoms of a
> broken economic system, the symptoms of a complex reality
> rather than the reality underneath.
>
> Then again, all the documentaries that have come out in the
> last few years are being very helpful to educate the popula-
> tion on how in detail our economic system is broken. They
> *are* getting more competent at comprehending the complexity
> behind the symptoms. But still it is a minority doing so. The
> majority will insist on enjoying lazy prejudices and then
> there is also the continous work of manipulatory forces
> spreading stupid thinking like "Yes, robots will steal our
> jobs, but don’t worry, we’ll get new ones"
>
> Making the rationality and quality of the legislational
> process the topic of discourse rather than the treatment
> of symptoms of bad legislation, that would also keep
> the methods of manipulation in people's focus rather
> than allowing it to effect.
>
>
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