[pp.int.general] State of the european website

Jan Huwald jh at sotun.de
Mon Dec 3 21:59:51 CET 2007

I disagree with the idea, that there has to be a solid base everywhere. 
Instead a think having a bunch of interconnected, active cores of people is 
enough to build the topmost structure.

The missing national, regional and local pirates can than "condense" around 
this starting point.

(sorry to bring this abstract thought up without long explanation .. i'll hope 
you get it, if not ask)

Jan Huwald
German PP

Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2007 19:44:46 schrieb Ray Jenson:
> > Art doesn't belong to a firm.
> > Culture doesn't belong to an industry.
> > Knowledge doesn't belong to a country.
> >
> > Welcome to the European Pirate Federation!
> >
> > (OK, this just sucks :)
> Actually, I like those first three lines... may I use them for my Pirate
> Party work in Utah?
> And if it was closer to "Fight Club" then wouldn't it be something more
> like: "Rule number one: You don't talk about the Pirate Party... Rule
> number two: You *don't* *talk* *about* the *Pirate* *Party*..." or
> something along those lines?
> I realize that I'm not in the EU, nor a member, but please accept the
> following as the most help I can offer at this moment (and take it or
> leave it as you wish):
> Success is not a destination; it is a process. The process of success
> requires correct principles, and their correct application. Knowing the
> correct course of action does not profit us if we fail to act upon it.
> The "Three C's" that Andrew proposed are principles. Your three lines
> above are also principles. A "principle" is a rule that governs a course
> of action. If the rule is chaos, then acting chaotically is adherence to
> that principle.
> There are also two kinds of principles: situational, and universal.
> Universal principles are true under all circumstances; situational
> principles are all other true principles. A false principle is not
> really a principle at all; it is merely lip service.
> The problem with the copyright regime is that they operate on the idea
> that profit is a universal principle. I must agree with this point:
> profit must occur. However, not all profits must be financial. We can
> profit emotionally, ethically, politically, and in many other ways.
> While financial profit is important, financial profit is merely
> situational. Profit itself is the rule; not finance.
> They mistake the importance of profit for the importance of money,
> because in their infantile minds, profit is the only measure of worth
> that they have allotted. This drives them to fight for financial profit
> as a primary motivator.
> However, financial profit is not the only reason they're doing what they
> do; though it is the underlying foundation for their activities.
> Political power leads to financial security. If they are in control of
> the governments of the world, then nobody can be free. They effectively
> become the government and can control the freedoms of speech, privacy,
> public discourse, the press and publication, and a variety of other
> freedoms that everyone formerly enjoyed.
> They are a subtler threat than an invading army because they are a
> private and non-government organization which controls governments. They
> are a threat to the sovereignty of the world's governments, and they are
> the prime reason that our entire world is in disorder. If not for these
> kinds of people, the entire world could live in peace instead of at one
> another's throats. They utilize "divide and conquer" tactics at every
> turn in order to ensure that everyone is in line.
> They have built their empire on the backs of people, and they have a
> strong foundation. The Pirate Party in Europe first needs something
> equivalent if any of us (the United States included) expects to be able
> to win. And if we build a strong foundation here in the United States,
> we can expect to build strong foundations in other parts of the world.
> Each foundation strengthens the whole. Our structure is rather like the
> Eiffel Tower in that respect: if one part of the tower is weak and the
> others cannot make up for that weakness, then continuing to build the
> tower higher only makes it more likely to topple.
> This is difficult work. We must convince people that we are serious, and
> we must convince them that we are adequate to the task of change. This
> means that we must first establish principles upon which to build the
> organization; and then act upon those principles to forge a correct
> plan; and then find others who can agree with us, and encourage them to
> find more. When we have a sufficient number of people in the base, the
> interconnections will take care of themselves, so long as there is a
> plan for it.
> The plan should start now, but not the action. Action should come after
> the plan is in place.
> Before there can be an organization at the EU level, there must be
> strong organizations at the local and national levels first, in order to
> give a strong foundation to the party. We must build those into the plan
> first.
> Hope any of this makes sense. As I said, you're free to use it or
> discard it as you wish, but I would recommend at least giving it a try
> for a year to see if it actually works.
> -Ray
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