[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Reinier Bakels]

Sorry if I overestimate your sense of humor .... The logic of my comment was very simple: Belarus is the only country in Europe with is not a member of the Council of Europe, and therefore not a signatory state to the ECHR. The logic is compelling: the Belwrus government is not subject to the ECHR.
Well, some Russians once came into the office of the (then) president of the European Court for Human Rights in Strasburg and seriously threatened him ... BUT they are still memebrs of the COE. As are the Turks - who cause a lot of work, because Turkey is not the strongest supporter of human rightrs in the world ...  
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlos Ayala Vargas 
  To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?


  Reinier Bakels wrote: 
    The essence is that one can not take away a right from someone that represents a (monetary) value (well, there are exceptions, such as taxes and fines, see art. 1 of the first protocol to the ECHR). And I repeat: the European Court of Human Rights can enforce the ECHR. All Council of Europe member states participate, even Russia. Only Belarus does not participate - perhaps you could cooperate with president Lukachenko?

  One can disagree with a legal framework while aiming to change it and observing it -even to change it-. Are you still going to compare Lukachenko with people who criticize the current EU legal framework? Or you'll keep such comparison to be used only with those who not observe the legal framework -even if you use it with people who doesn't observe current legal framework, the comparison would be too bold (would require, in my opinion, additional features like lack of democracy, prosecution of dissidents with menaces like "we will wring their necks, as one might a duck", etc)-?

  I want to know it, just to know if you include me in such peculiar comparison or not -just to know whether become alarmed by it or not-.


                                                                                              Carlos Ayala
                                                                                              ( Aiarakoa )

                                                                       Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman



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