[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto Reloaded

Félix Robles redeadlink at gmail.com
Thu Jul 3 18:19:14 CEST 2008

So you are willing to sell your political neutrality on non-core issues to
get some more voting power on core issues on the short term. ¡You've even
stated that non core issues are the issues we don't care about!

¿Do you actually believe that poeple doesn't care about non core issues? Non
core issues are important, it is because inside each pirate party there are
very different opinions on non core issues that we must keep our neutrality
on those non core issues, in order not to lose votes. Only when, punctually,
we are absolutely sure most of our citizens agree on one of our non core
issues, we should then take a position on that subject. And the only
democratic and legit way to do so is by directly asking our fellow citizens.

As Carlos has already said, if we vote the same way that other parties 99%
of the time, and those other parties accept our core issues, people will
shift to vote those parties, not us.

Your proposal is just a political suicide.


Felix Robles, a member of PIRATA

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Ole Husgaard <pirat at sparre.dk> wrote:

> aloa5 skrev:
> > Ole Husgaard schrieb:
> >
> >> Nobody ever talked about joining other parties. We talk about joining a
> >> parlamentary group, if we do not get enough seats to form our own group.
> >> Groups in the EU-Parliament are not political parties.
> >>
> > We talk about a type of coalition (only without fighting about every
> point).
> >
> > Did you ever notice this? :
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_political_group#Heterogeneous
> > "" A Group is assumed to have a set of core principles ("affinities" or
> > "complexion") to which the full members are expected to
> > adhere....October 4, 2001.[84] Since then the requirement that Groups
> > have a coherent political complexion has been enforced (as ITS later
> > found out), and "mixed" Groups are not expected to appear again."
> >
> According to the rules there has to be some political affinity, but how
> much is never defined. The purely technical group was disbanded because
> the members denied having any political affinity. In chapter 4, rule 29,
> you can read: "Only when this [having political affinity] is denied by
> the Members concerned is it necessary for Parliament to evaluate whether
> the group has been constituted in conformity with the Rules."
> As soon as we get a group to accept our core issues there is some
> political affinity between us and the group.
> Please note that there is no requirement that members of a group agree
> on everything. That is actually quite rare, as the groups are loose
> coalitions of political parties.
> Best Regards,
> Ole Husgaard.
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