[pp.int.general] Is everyone asleep on this list, or is it just me?

Bernhard Schillo b.schillo at gmx.net
Thu Jul 17 01:03:08 CEST 2008


i discussed that in the german pirate party. Sorry that i didn't reported here. In my opinion there are following

- the pirate party is very young and the international or european networking and communication between the pirate
parties is not (yet) at its best.
- the time between your posting and the decision was very short.
- the extension of copyrights of performing artists is a very special theme.

In Germany we have the following situation: Very much people are in the party because of the privacy issue and have
no experience with the copyright debate. And the structures in the party are not really effective at the moment, we
are trying to improve that.

What kind of statement are you suggesting? In my opinion the peforming artists should have same rights as composers,
but the copyright for composers has to be shortened. But (at least in germany) we have no concrete suggestion in our
program, how long copyright should last, we only say, that it has to be shorter. So it's difficult to find a
concrete statement on that. I don't know if in other countrys are concrete statements on the duration of copyright,
and in the US the copyright is different anyway.

But perhaps it's not too worse, that we missed that, because at the moment we have to improve our image as
supporters and not enemies of artists a little bit, i think.

Perhaps we should have gathered the important informations and informed journalists, who have the same opinion as
the pirate party? No statement but trying to bring this theme in the public discussion, i mean. This could help us
in "the long tail". Or do you think we can still make a statement? If it's good, why not...

Bernhard Schillo

Andrew Norton schrieb:

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> I posted about a potential extention to copyright terms in the EU two
> days ago. It's now gone through. Despite the fact that
> a) copyright terms are a major constituant to all our platforms, in the
> opposite direction from this proposal, and
> b) we're supposed to be launching an election campaign for the EU and
> c) 90% of this list are citizens of the EU
> I've had a total of ONE response on this, from Carlos.
> We had the chance to have prepped a press release for either eventuality
> and now we've lost the moment and are playing catch up. we have no
> communication, we have no cohesive ability.
> Unless people start working TOGETHER and not keep trying to prove
> they're the cleverest boy on the block, we might as well all give up,
> and go home. I remind you all of one thing - if we, who share a fairly
> common ideology, can't work together and get things done, we haven't a
> hope in hell or getting anything done as politicians, of being even
> slightly electable, of being marginally effective.
> Cooperation, flexibility, and avoiding a rigid adherence to whatever
> personal beliefs you have, will be what makes the Pirate Parties work.
> The way we're going, we wouldn't even be able to win 'most unelectable
> party' through being too fragmented to compete effectively.
> Back on topic
> here's the documents
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/1156&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
> and
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/08/508&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
> Read them over, get SOMEONE back in touch with me today from your party.
> If the Pirate Parties can't even be bothered to deal with an EU-wide
> directive on copyrights - our most high profile issue - just before we
> launch a campaign for euroParl, it has to be said "what is going on?"
> Andrew
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