[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: Finally, amendments showdown

[Max Moritz Sievers]

Eduardo RE wrote:
> El Martes 11 Noviembre 2008, Max Moritz Sievers escribió:
> > > *We believe that the state is destructive to individual liberty and
> > > social harmony, and that only the abolition of coercive authority can
> > > solve our political, economic and national problems. Anarchy is the
> > > ideal, and it is to this end that we do aspire and work.*
>
> The Pirate Manifiesto should be something common we all agree.

No, consensus is not required. The manifesto would be very short if it was.

> I value having some laws we all agree with, etc.

I don't agree with the laws. I don't even agree with imprisonment.

> We are not all anarchists, we are not all socialists, we are not all
> liberals etc. We are all just pirates, and there may well be pirates of all
> colors and it's ok because we share a common view in copyright and other
> topics, but nothing else.

I don't want to just change the copyright.

> We shouldn't be clasified as left-wing or right-wing, nor anarchists for
> that matter. And much less so in the pirate manifiesto, which should only
> contain things we all agree with, a common ground.

Then we should discuss if we want to abolish the government.

> Anarchy is your ideal. Socialism is other's people ideal, capitalism is
> other's people ideal. Please don't try to impose your ideal to the rest of
> the pirates by saying "well, you're pirates so even if you don't know it,
> you're actually anarchist". Belive me I am not (but I am a Pirate).

There must be a reason why we found new parties instead of joining existing 
and ruling ones. We want a /radical/ change. And anarchy would be the most 
radical change. I don't want you to skip this amendment because you want to 
show that you are good democrats. Take the time to think about it. Don't let 
you fool by the propaganda from non-anarchistic sources.

-- 
regards
Max Moritz Sievers