[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: Finally, amendments showdown

[Jens Seipenbusch]

Hi Carlos,

i only answer here again, so you can better understand my situation and
to prevent you from thinking wrong about what happened.

Carlos Ayala schrieb:
> De: Jens Seipenbusch <seipenbusch at web.de> Enviado: viernes, 14 de
> noviembre, 2008 17:25:58
> 
> Carlos Ayala schrieb:
>>> These voting rules are public since july, and were reminded in
>>> september -when the amending period started-; both times not only
>>> were made public in the wiki list but also in this mailing list.
>>> There is no way in which you may state you weren't unaware.
>> i never stated i couldnt be aware of this, i just state i did not
>> agree with it so far. If i didnt comment on that point at all,
>> thats still not agreeing with it.
> 
> That makes no sense. If you were aware of that and you disallowed
> Helmut's support to the voting system, why didn't you tell it four
> months ago, or two months ago? Why do you wait until now?
> 
i was not aware. Helmut didnt talk to me about it, instead he posted it
on some list of ours, but not directly to me - so i didnt read it (we
have many lists here and i cant read every posting).
When i said 'i could have been aware' that means, if i had read all that
Wiki-Pages you setup at that point in time, which i didnt.

>> I'll see that i get the information that i want on a different way,
>> since you obviously dont get my point here...
> 
> Not so difficult to get your point here: you disagree with the voting
> system.

no, i just want to find out, if the intendend voters agree on the voting
system by the majority - thats all. And its not enough for me (if its
for you) to know, that none of them objected, since they just might have
missed the info like myself.

> 
> What's pretty hard for me to get is why do you say it now, instead of
> saying it four months ago -when representatives incluiding Helmut
> (supposedly acting on behalf on PPDE) agreed on this voting system-,
> or two months ago -when Stage Two was announced, and you wrote a mail
> commenting which parts of First Draft you disliked-; this is the part
> hard to be got.

i was of the opinion, that the Draft will be finished with the deadline
and after that we discuss how to further improve it (like make a final
draft together). I missed the part where you already fixed the procedure
for the time after finishing the draft.

-
I hope i could clear up the missing points a bit, now lets get through
this voting phase and so on and see what comes out, cause i'm mainly
interested in the result.

If you still want to further clarify what happened, pls mail to me
directly.....

regards,
Jens