[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19
Core TX
coretx at gmail.com
Wed Sep 17 19:50:07 CEST 2008
Why is not this news on /. yet ? - I pasted the Press Release to all Dutch
news sites I know.
I suggest we all do the same for our own region. ( And vote the story up )
( The original source, has more value for a journalist compared to a
translation of a "sister party" )
2008/9/17 <pp.international.general-request at lists.pirateweb.net>
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> 1. Re: Press Release: Member of German Pirate Party raided
> ( B?a?ej Kaczorowski )
> 2. Re: Press Release: Member of German Pirate Party raided
> (Andreas Popp)
> 3. Re: Press Release: Member of German Pirate Party raided
> ( B?a?ej Kaczorowski )
> 4. Translation of press release concerning the raid to find the
> leak in the "Bayerntrojaner"-Case (Christian Hufgard)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:53:19 +0200
> From: " B?a?ej Kaczorowski " <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Press Release: Member of German Pirate
> Party raided
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Message-ID:
> <2865bc640809170853j292aded3nbe6fb3b6abc15849 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Was he arested? There is no info about that in news.
>
> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> > Yeah I will, I have a phone interview at 18:00 :D
> >
> > B?a?ej Kaczorowski schrieb:
> >> You will have to train :)
> >>
> >> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> >>
> >>> I do, but I don't know if they want to make international phone calls
> ^^.
> >>>
> >>> Our Bavarion Info-Line (which is currently only occuipied by me in late
> >>> afternoon and evening) is reachable under: +49 841 4544502
> >>>
> >>> But I am available via
> >>> - Skype under the name of "uruhara-san"
> >>> - ICQ 76225858
> >>> - Jabber: Andi at jabber.piratenpartei.de
> >>> - Mail
> >>> most of the day (if this might help anyone, I'm not really expirienced
> >>> in being contactet by media through any other channel than mail :D)
> >>>
> >>> Greets
> >>> Andi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks, much appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andreas, do you have a phone number for media calls (in English)? Just
> >>>> finalizing our press release.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Andreas Popp wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) schrieb:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If you could give more details to this list, that would be great, as
> we
> >>>>>> can expect media attention.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, here we go (Pardon my english if, I don't have time to crossread
> >>>>> right now):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In january one of our members (I don't know who and I don't want to
> know
> >>>>> ^^) got ahold of an internal paper of the Bavarian departmen of
> justice.
> >>>>> For everyone who does not know, Germany is a federal state, Bavaria
> is
> >>>>> the biggest state in squaremeters und second biggest in population.
> >>>>> Governed by a single conservative party which had more than 50% of
> >>>>> votes in parliament elecetions since the end of WWII. This party is
> >>>>> known for it's highly authorical style of government.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was evidence in this paper, that the Bavarian authorities were
> >>>>> already using trojans for infiltration of private PCs (in this case
> >>>>> Skype-Surveillance and Man-In-The-Middle-Attacks to break
> >>>>> SSL-Encryption), but the law to allow such surveillance is still in
> >>>>> dispute, as it was back than. In Summer the German Constituional
> Court
> >>>>> broke a simular law of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. We
> published
> >>>>> this paper on our website, got some attention, but could not confirm
> its
> >>>>> authenticity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday the person responsible for writing this article on our
> >>>>> website (our press spokesman) got woken at 5:45 AM by several police
> >>>>> officers who threatend seize all his PCs and storage sevices if he
> would
> >>>>> not cooperate. Reason for the court's seizing order wer investigation
> >>>>> against "unknown" because of "breaking of official state secrets".
> Since
> >>>>> the person raided did not have any information about the leaker
> nothing
> >>>>> was taken, which IMHO shows, that the investigators knew about that
> and
> >>>>> that this raid was only a try to intimidate us, who published the
> paper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Furthermore a server of another party member, hosted in Bavaria was
> >>>>> seized. It seems if there were also trails leeding to him, but I am
> not
> >>>>> sure, but it happend on friday, one day after the raid of our press
> >>>>> spokesman, so we are nearly sure, that the same investigators were
> >>>>> responsible. This server is encrypted though, so there is no big
> chance
> >>>>> they might get anything, even IF there is anything on it (again I
> don't
> >>>>> know an really don't want to know, to not be the next one raided^^).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further questions? go ahed :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> greetings
> >>>>> andi
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ____________________________________________________
> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:06:26 +0200
> From: Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Press Release: Member of German Pirate
> Party raided
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Message-ID: <48D12B02.6020203 at gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2
>
> No, nobody was arrested. The only copied a few E-Mails from our
> (public!) mailinglist according to my information. And the server of
> that other party member was seized btw
>
> B?a?ej Kaczorowski schrieb:
> > Was he arested? There is no info about that in news.
> >
> > 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> >
> >> Yeah I will, I have a phone interview at 18:00 :D
> >>
> >> B?a?ej Kaczorowski schrieb:
> >>
> >>> You will have to train :)
> >>>
> >>> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I do, but I don't know if they want to make international phone calls
> ^^.
> >>>>
> >>>> Our Bavarion Info-Line (which is currently only occuipied by me in
> late
> >>>> afternoon and evening) is reachable under: +49 841 4544502
> >>>>
> >>>> But I am available via
> >>>> - Skype under the name of "uruhara-san"
> >>>> - ICQ 76225858
> >>>> - Jabber: Andi at jabber.piratenpartei.de
> >>>> - Mail
> >>>> most of the day (if this might help anyone, I'm not really expirienced
> >>>> in being contactet by media through any other channel than mail :D)
> >>>>
> >>>> Greets
> >>>> Andi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks, much appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andreas, do you have a phone number for media calls (in English)?
> Just
> >>>>> finalizing our press release.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andreas Popp wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) schrieb:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you could give more details to this list, that would be great,
> as we
> >>>>>>> can expect media attention.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, here we go (Pardon my english if, I don't have time to crossread
> >>>>>> right now):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In january one of our members (I don't know who and I don't want to
> know
> >>>>>> ^^) got ahold of an internal paper of the Bavarian departmen of
> justice.
> >>>>>> For everyone who does not know, Germany is a federal state, Bavaria
> is
> >>>>>> the biggest state in squaremeters und second biggest in population.
> >>>>>> Governed by a single conservative party which had more than 50% of
> >>>>>> votes in parliament elecetions since the end of WWII. This party is
> >>>>>> known for it's highly authorical style of government.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There was evidence in this paper, that the Bavarian authorities were
> >>>>>> already using trojans for infiltration of private PCs (in this case
> >>>>>> Skype-Surveillance and Man-In-The-Middle-Attacks to break
> >>>>>> SSL-Encryption), but the law to allow such surveillance is still in
> >>>>>> dispute, as it was back than. In Summer the German Constituional
> Court
> >>>>>> broke a simular law of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. We
> published
> >>>>>> this paper on our website, got some attention, but could not confirm
> its
> >>>>>> authenticity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday the person responsible for writing this article on our
> >>>>>> website (our press spokesman) got woken at 5:45 AM by several police
> >>>>>> officers who threatend seize all his PCs and storage sevices if he
> would
> >>>>>> not cooperate. Reason for the court's seizing order wer
> investigation
> >>>>>> against "unknown" because of "breaking of official state secrets".
> Since
> >>>>>> the person raided did not have any information about the leaker
> nothing
> >>>>>> was taken, which IMHO shows, that the investigators knew about that
> and
> >>>>>> that this raid was only a try to intimidate us, who published the
> paper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Furthermore a server of another party member, hosted in Bavaria was
> >>>>>> seized. It seems if there were also trails leeding to him, but I am
> not
> >>>>>> sure, but it happend on friday, one day after the raid of our press
> >>>>>> spokesman, so we are nearly sure, that the same investigators were
> >>>>>> responsible. This server is encrypted though, so there is no big
> chance
> >>>>>> they might get anything, even IF there is anything on it (again I
> don't
> >>>>>> know an really don't want to know, to not be the next one raided^^).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Further questions? go ahed :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> greetings
> >>>>>> andi
> >>>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>>>
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ____________________________________________________
> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>
> >>
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:13:29 +0200
> From: " B?a?ej Kaczorowski " <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Press Release: Member of German Pirate
> Party raided
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Message-ID:
> <2865bc640809170913n52419b5ev5d33c9070c74d6c9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2
>
> Press info send and also news on our webpage http://partiapiratow.org.pl/is in.
>
> Regards,
> B?a?ej
>
> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> > No, nobody was arrested. The only copied a few E-Mails from our
> > (public!) mailinglist according to my information. And the server of
> > that other party member was seized btw
> >
> > B?a?ej Kaczorowski schrieb:
> >> Was he arested? There is no info about that in news.
> >>
> >> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> >>
> >>> Yeah I will, I have a phone interview at 18:00 :D
> >>>
> >>> B?a?ej Kaczorowski schrieb:
> >>>
> >>>> You will have to train :)
> >>>>
> >>>> 2008/9/17 Andreas Popp <andreas.popp at gmx.de>:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I do, but I don't know if they want to make international phone calls
> ^^.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Our Bavarion Info-Line (which is currently only occuipied by me in
> late
> >>>>> afternoon and evening) is reachable under: +49 841 4544502
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I am available via
> >>>>> - Skype under the name of "uruhara-san"
> >>>>> - ICQ 76225858
> >>>>> - Jabber: Andi at jabber.piratenpartei.de
> >>>>> - Mail
> >>>>> most of the day (if this might help anyone, I'm not really
> expirienced
> >>>>> in being contactet by media through any other channel than mail :D)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greets
> >>>>> Andi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks, much appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andreas, do you have a phone number for media calls (in English)?
> Just
> >>>>>> finalizing our press release.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andreas Popp wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) schrieb:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you could give more details to this list, that would be great,
> as we
> >>>>>>>> can expect media attention.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ok, here we go (Pardon my english if, I don't have time to
> crossread
> >>>>>>> right now):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In january one of our members (I don't know who and I don't want to
> know
> >>>>>>> ^^) got ahold of an internal paper of the Bavarian departmen of
> justice.
> >>>>>>> For everyone who does not know, Germany is a federal state, Bavaria
> is
> >>>>>>> the biggest state in squaremeters und second biggest in population.
> >>>>>>> Governed by a single conservative party which had more than 50% of
> >>>>>>> votes in parliament elecetions since the end of WWII. This party is
> >>>>>>> known for it's highly authorical style of government.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There was evidence in this paper, that the Bavarian authorities
> were
> >>>>>>> already using trojans for infiltration of private PCs (in this case
> >>>>>>> Skype-Surveillance and Man-In-The-Middle-Attacks to break
> >>>>>>> SSL-Encryption), but the law to allow such surveillance is still in
> >>>>>>> dispute, as it was back than. In Summer the German Constituional
> Court
> >>>>>>> broke a simular law of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. We
> published
> >>>>>>> this paper on our website, got some attention, but could not
> confirm its
> >>>>>>> authenticity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday the person responsible for writing this article on our
> >>>>>>> website (our press spokesman) got woken at 5:45 AM by several
> police
> >>>>>>> officers who threatend seize all his PCs and storage sevices if he
> would
> >>>>>>> not cooperate. Reason for the court's seizing order wer
> investigation
> >>>>>>> against "unknown" because of "breaking of official state secrets".
> Since
> >>>>>>> the person raided did not have any information about the leaker
> nothing
> >>>>>>> was taken, which IMHO shows, that the investigators knew about that
> and
> >>>>>>> that this raid was only a try to intimidate us, who published the
> paper.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Furthermore a server of another party member, hosted in Bavaria was
> >>>>>>> seized. It seems if there were also trails leeding to him, but I am
> not
> >>>>>>> sure, but it happend on friday, one day after the raid of our press
> >>>>>>> spokesman, so we are nearly sure, that the same investigators were
> >>>>>>> responsible. This server is encrypted though, so there is no big
> chance
> >>>>>>> they might get anything, even IF there is anything on it (again I
> don't
> >>>>>>> know an really don't want to know, to not be the next one
> raided^^).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Further questions? go ahed :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> greetings
> >>>>>>> andi
> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>>>>
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>>>
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ____________________________________________________
> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:49:02 +0200
> From: Christian Hufgard <christian.hufgard at piratenpartei-hessen.de>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Translation of press release concerning the
> raid to find the leak in the "Bayerntrojaner"-Case
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net, aktive
> <aktive at lists.piratenpartei.de>
> Message-ID: <48D134FE.5020105 at piratenpartei-hessen.de>
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I would be glad, if you would send this mail to your local press and
> distribute it to your members.
> Today it was published in all major IT portals and two nation wide
> newpapers (Frankfurter Rundschau - print distribution, S?ddeutsche -
> online portal). It shows pretty good, how important our work is.
>
>
> Christian Hufgard
>
> Vice Chairman of the Hesse Pirate Party
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Party in the spotlight ? Existence of the ?Bayerntrojaner? confirmed
>
> A few days ago, Bavarian Police raided the private rooms of the press
> spokesman of the German Pirate Party (Piratenpartei Deutschland). Like
> in the "Cicero Case", the authorities were searching for a leaker in
> their own rows. In january during the discussion about the so called
> ?Bundestrojaner? (Note: ?Federal Trojan?, a spy software for
> infiltration of private computers by state authorities), the Pirate
> Party released an internal document of the Bavarian department of
> justice received by an unknown person, which shows that such software
> might already be used without legal authorization. After the raid, the
> authenticity of this document can be considered confirmed.
>
> The situation is politically charged because of the affected person
> being a member of the executive committee of the Bavarian Pirate Party.
> The German Pirate Party repeatedly criticized this kind of spy software
> already. They further say, that there must be more parliamentary control
> over services like the BKA (Note: The German Federal Police, something
> like the US FBI) instead of more uncontrollable permissions for them, to
> prevent the civil rights from being undermined. Jens Seipenbusch, Vice
> Chairman of the PIRATEN says: ?This procedure can only be considered a
> repression of our political efforts. It looks like some of our state
> officials want to establish a surveillance state without the people
> noticing.?
>
> The raid of the Pirate Party's press spokesman's private rooms must
> therefore be considered an intimidation, especially since the
> investigators should have known, that he does not know the identity of
> the leaker. Moreover a server of another party member, which was hosted
> in Bavaria, was seized. The danger of information stored on this server
> being analyzed is low though, since it was encrypted with strong
> encryption software.
>
> Andreas Popp, Chairman of the Bavarian Pirate Party says: ?A brave
> person leaks documents to the Pirate Party, to inform the public about a
> procedure of the Bavarian Government, which is highly likely to violate
> the constitution. Now this persons is hunted like a criminal. Private
> rooms are raided, servers get seized. I want to tell this person, that
> measures have been taken to avoid unwanted access to data, which might
> lead to his or her identification.?
>
> press contacts:
>
> Andreas Popp
> Chairman of the Bavarian Pirate Party
> E-Mail: andreas.popp at piratenpartei-bayern.de
>
> Thorsten Wirth
> Chairman of the Hesse Pirate Party
> E-Mail: t.wirth at piratenpartei-hessen.de
>
> Jens Seipenbusch
> Vice Chairman of the German Pirate Party
> E-Mail: js@ piratenpartei.de
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