[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Will Pomes]

You are right that you have thus far avoided ad hominem attacks,
however, the debate has strayed into an area where they are likely to
be used.

As to what we should do when he says that, I don't know. One solution
is simply to ignore it. Another is to start a personal correspondence
with him outside of the mailing list.

I agree with you assessment of equating aggressor and insulted, and I
apologize for the inherent unfairness of my comment.


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Carlos Ayala Vargas <aiarakoa at yahoo.es> wrote:
> Will Pomes wrote:
>>
>> Guys, let us take a step back from this arguement. It is easy to see from
>> the outside that both of you seem angry now, so lets try and focus on the
>> issue and not on each other.
>
> As I said in my last mail, I hope people will be able to send to this list
> mails "/without inaccuracies, strawmen figures and scornful statements/"; I
> think that adult, mature and respectful people is able to debate without
> resorting to that.
>>
>> You two both need to calm down, and stop the ad hominem attacks. Though I
>> am a proponent of loud and fervent debates, this is has morphed into a name
>> calling match.
>>
>
> However, I reject the idea of me having done /ad hominem/ attacks: if anyone
> talks /on behalf of/ others in vain, pointing that out is not /ad hominem/;
> nor it's /ad hominem/ to quote certain scornful and/or insulting words used
> by others; nor it's /ad hominem/ to complain about others using strawmen
> figures -i.e., those others blaming certain people of things we never
> said/done-.
>
> Also, I think that if someone pushes another person and that person
> complains "/hey! stop pushing me!/", it's unfair to hear "/hey both of you,
> calm down/" -because I think it equates aggressor and insulted-. I believe
> that being taken away the right to reply when someone uses that kind of
> language -by the way, without almost anyone having warned that individual at
> any of the many times he did use that kind of language- would be unfair.
> What am I supposed to do, Will, next time that Reinier launches sort of
> "/this is the way we should think, and if you don't, you are a
> fifthcolumnist / stupid / radical / fundamentalist / etc/" statements?
> Regards,
>
>
>
>                  Carlos Ayala
>
>                  ( Aiarakoa )
>
>
>  Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman
>
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