[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: status of internal ballots

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Reinier:

- I guess you are going ... not to write a /Manifesto/ ... but to 
*propose* a new *draft* ... however, if you share the goal agreed by the 
pirate parties representatives -Samir, Arkadiusz, (then) Andrew, Anton, 
Ole, etc- of having it ready prior to the Helsinki Conference, you 
shouldn't have it ready just a couple of days before the Conference, but 
*_now_*, because (just in case we decide to consider it as an option, 
regardless of its unilateral, individual nature) I think that we, the 
pirate parties, would need to study and to vote it together with the 
current drafts; I cannot speak for the rest of pirate parties, however 
*I don't see pirate parties* -at least those which may haven't started 
yet their internal ballot (those which already started it, I guess won't 
accept to add new options during the ballot)- *voting for your proposal 
if you introduce it, say, the 26th of January*; as long as you care 
whether we vote for your proposal ... maybe you're not concerned about it

- as Andrew Norton stated, and it can be checked here

http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#What

*the Pirate Manifesto can be thought of as a Venn diagram of what we 
have in common* -what identifies us as an international movement, in the 
international scope; in the national scope, we are supposed to have that 
and, later, we can add whatever we want to-; so when you answer to David 
-when he states that having a joint manifesto is what truly matters- 
"/why?/" ... well, you show to not have understood at all what was 
agreed in Berlin in January 2008

- you are not Piraten Partij representative for PPI: Samir Allioui is; 
besides what anyone may think from your words, Reinier, your opinions 
are just your individual opinions, not Piraten Partij's; thus, when you 
say "/If you want to keep NL on board of the PP movement/", it's not 
Piraten Partij who talks, but just Reinier Bakels

- I don't know if Piraten Partij is close to death -it has 32 members 
(Samir told me), while, e.g., PIRATA has 61 (and several hundreds of 
supporters) and we're still alive as a party-; what I know is that 
Piraten Partij is also still alive, and its signature is going to be 
decided by its members as a whole in an inner democratic ballot (Samir 
has confirmed it to me)

- let me follow your /joke/: "/what two people can do in two weeks, 
three people can do in three weeks/" ... and Reinier Bakels can do it in 
*six months* -that's the period between the start of the current Pirate 
Manifesto efforts (beginning of july'08) and the moment in which you 
started to talk (end of december'08)-; *are you telling us that in six 
months you were unable to make a single comment, nor to propose 
amendments* (directly or through Samir)? *It's impossible to believe that*

- I repeat you were not sincere when you talked about the current drafts 
being formal rather than political; of course those drafts are 
political, it's simply that you dislike them; well, you can encourage 
people not to sign any of them, however stick to the truth of their very 
political nature

- "/is privacy a priority? We could agree to disagree/" // "/ECHR 
generally is seen as powerful, and appropriate/" // "/if we can not 
agree on certain issues, the next best thing is to agree only on core 
items, copyright and patent reform in particular/" // etc; *patents and 
author's rights aren't the only PPI core issues ... specifically, 
privacy is* -at least as long as Samir is PPNL representative (Samir 
said, "/at this time, our view is most similar to that of the Danish 
Pirate Party/"; Ole said, "/a democratic society needs a transparent 
state and non-transparent citizens/ [...] /therefore the secrecy of 
correspondence should encompass all digital communication/"), also 
including Piraten Partij-

http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance#Piratenpartij_Nederland
http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance#Personal_integrity

*a PPI core issue*; and again you talk just on your own behalf but 
pretend to make everyone think that you would not only being talking on 
behalf of Piraten Partij, but on behalf of the whole PPI; entirely false

- in the Manifesto (you can check the above link) we express what we 
want in the short, middle & long term, because it's not a 2009-2014 EU 
platform (it's simply not a platform); *are you willing to make us 
remove our long-term goals from the Pirate Manifesto? Then I foresee 
much rejection to your proposal*

- you have never got any of the existing drafts and analyzed them 
properly, saying "/I agree with that, because /[...]", "/I 
totally/partially disagree with that, because /[...]", "/I agree 
totally/partially with that though I would reword it this way/ [...]", 
etc; were you aware that wiki pages have talk pages? e.g.

http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Draft_C
http://int.piratenpartei.de/Talk:Pirate_Manifesto_Draft_C

- just a curiosity: who are you replying to with your 03:17 a.m. mail? I 
mean, as long as you sent the reply to the PPI list but I don't find any 
mail in PPI list with such contents

Conclussion: within the PPI context, *you speak on behalf of nobody, but 
you*.


                                                                                             
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                             
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                       
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman