[pp.int.general] Reinier & Helsinki.

[Will Pomes]

no one blames you. TX even says so. he has simply handed you his
title, as the one who speaks for the group who gave TX the title in
the first place.

I believe he did this because he believes you can do this better than he can.

So while you may feel that you can't speak for the Piraten Partij, he
has given whatever license that others felt he deserved, over to you.

What I'm trying to say to you is that despite your un-recognition of
his position, or the position he used to hold, people who belong to
Piraten Partij chose him to represent them, as they thought he would
accurately voice their opinions. So his judgment must be sound in
their eyes.

He feels that you will also accurately voice the opinions of those who
elected him, the members of Piraten Partij.

Thus, regardless of recognizing the position or the title, you must
accept that he (and thus, you) represents at least the members of the
group who voted for him.

I hope that my supposition is accurate.

I now yield the floor to those who wish to speak.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at planet.nl> wrote:
>> I am still officially the Chairman of Piraten Partij. ( However, i did
>> propose the title /interim chairman/ since there is no offical registration
>> yet. )
>> Reinier  does not recognize this. And i do not blame him for this, since i
>> know his intentions are not wrong. And its just a matter of different
>> opinions.
>> Samir Allioui.
>> (interim) Chairman of Piraten Partij Nederland.
>
> The issue is who is entitled to speak on behalf of the Dutch Piratenpartij
> (PP-NL). I guess nobody is. Also an (interim) chairman ought to rely on a
> democratic decision, or a mandate. In association, even a chairman can not
> make (important) decisions by himself. So the question boils down to the
> question who has a mandate. The answer is: none. Who should have given the
> mandate? Virtually nobody is still active in PP-NL, and there are no
> registered members afaik. The last PP-NL meeting (in Utrecht) was already a
> long time ago
> I felt responsible and went to the PPI meetings in Berlin (with Wybo) and
> Uppsala (with Leon) last year, and I will be in Helsinki again. All on my
> own expenses. Anyone blames me?
> reinier
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