[pp.int.general] purpose of manifesto

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Per von Zweigbergk wrote:
> Read the e-mail you quoted from again. I did not say "European PP" 
> referring to a hypothetical European Parliament party group, I said 
> "European PPs" referring to European Pirate Parties in the collective 
> sense. (European in this context referring to the country in which 
> they operate, not the fact that they operate on the level of the 
> entire European Union.)
Probably I explain myself really bad, or simply it's due to the 
phenomenom I talk about not happening in your country. It's not about an 
hypothetical European Parliament pirate party group; it's about:

- a well known entity already called European PP (Spanish PP is a part 
of it)
- a pirate party called PIRATA
- PIRATA trying to avoid confusion between Spanish PP and itself, not 
just in the national scope, but also in the international scope -and I 
can supply all of you with dozens of links that would prove that not 
only the /PPirata/ trick exists, but also people laugh at the very PPI 
URL (pp-international.net); thus, I have no doubt on calling us the 
European pirate parties /European PP/ would be really negative to us

Maybe in Sweden this doesn't happen, so this may sound pretty bizarre to 
you. The thing is, whether you believe me or not, it happens in Spain:

http://meneame.net/story/partido-pirata-recibe-apoyo-masivo-suecia/1#comment-18
http://meneame.net/story/video-sobre-recogida-firmas-para-partido-pirata-cara-presentarse-elecc/1#comment-55
http://meneame.net/story/video-sobre-recogida-firmas-para-partido-pirata-cara-presentarse-elecc/1#comment-74
http://meneame.net/story/video-sobre-recogida-firmas-para-partido-pirata-cara-presentarse-elecc/1#comment-77
http://meneame.net/story/video-sobre-recogida-firmas-para-partido-pirata-cara-presentarse-elecc/1#comment-82

etc, etc, etc
> Therefore, no "European PP" exists, but when it does, it would be wise 
> to find some abbreviation for it that does not clash with EPP-ED.
Agree :)
> Anyway, the point is moot, there is no current Europarl party group 
> for pirate parties, and there likely won't be in the near future. The 
> strategy of the Swedish (pp) will be to join a pre-existing and 
> respected party group, and try to influence from the inside.
I know Uppsala Declaration -it states the same as Christian Engström in 
his blog-.

But, then, (considering that current rules are 21/7, 21 MEPs from 7 
countries), even if there were 4-5 pirate MEPs from 2-3 countries, would 
Piratpartiet follow anyway the Uppsala Declaration principles, i.e., 
would behave within the Europarliament as a part of 
/Greens/Communists/Populars/Liberals/Socialists/Independents/Nationalists/ 
? I mean, it would seem quite strange to have 4-5 pirate MEPs acting 
with 2-3 different strategies.

And there is also the risk -I've asked about it in other thread 
(24-I-09, 14:56's mail)- of that Group where Piratpartiet merges in, 
claiming to have reached a deal with the pirate movement. I think there 
are many details concerning this issue to be dealt with -however, for 
the sake of thread topics, I recommend to comment them in the other 
thread-. Regards,


                                                                                         
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                         
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                   
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman