[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: PIRATA internal ballot, results

[Reinier Bakels]

>> Fellow pirates, before you wonder what this long mail is about: the issue 
>> was whether PP(I) needs an underlying philosophy. I argued not to be 
>> overly concerned, if only because many established and successful(!) 
>> political parties don't have explicit "philosophies" either ....
> I guess you equate success not with successful policies (passing Swedish 
> FRA, Spanish Author's Rights law, French DADVSI and such is not successful 
> at all, at least thinking of citizens of those countries), but with 
> successful ballot results (i.e., large amounts of votes).
>
> If I'm right about what you mean, I have to say that many established and 
> 'successful' parties make too many things that are rejectable
(snip)
>
> I believe it's not a good idea to follow what established and 'successful' 
> parties do just because of being 'successful'.

Sorry, you are confusing things. The issue was that PP's get blamed for 
being a one issue movement without an (explicit) underlying strategy. A 
distinction must be made between:
1) getting many votes
2) achieving proper things
The fact that parties get many votes that subsequently do the wrong things 
does not mean that PP's should be concerned about getting *many* votes 
without a "sufficiently" explicit strategy!

reinier